Originally Posted by IndianaOD
Yeah, Chicago is about as corrupt as you can get.
But here are the facts. Obama kills puppies and aborts them! McCain aborts puppies and kills them!! Either way the world is going to hell!
At least I have Fezz and his black powder rifle to protect me!
I got your back Bro. Don't worry, I'll keep my powder dry and we can watch out for each others top-knots (scalps).
PS. Worse case scenario....I got plenty of Kinnick-Kinnick to go around. A few passes of that at the throwing block...all will be just fine!
;):cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::D
Last edited by Fezz; 10-30-2008 at 08:42 AM.
Steve,
How many jobs were created in the past six years? Oh, thats right, your hatred for Bush is so deep that you can put your blinders on and only look at the events of the last 6-12 months. The stock market was do to correct it self no matter who is in the White House, stocks have been over valued for many years, take Chrysler for example their they have continued to report hugh quarterly losses, yet their stock continues to trade over $30 per share?
I just would like to add, that across your northern border, this election is followed more than the one we had a couple of weeks ago.
The consensus this side of the border is that the present administration has initiated today's problems that are felt around the world. Also that in the US, a change is needed so that these difficult times can be overcome as soon as possible.
Canadians would not welcome a continuation of the Bush years and polycies, neither would all of Europe.
What does 'hatred; have to do with the fact and who said I hate Bush? Hatred, as far as I can tell, is a Republican value. I left the Republican Party a long time ago when they gave up any pretense of fiscal responsibility and the belief that Government should stay out of people's lives and bodies.
The facts:
Clinton years - 22 million new jobs
Bush years - Around 6-7 million new jobs was the last I heard before this years dramatic job losses. [Funny how you would want to discount this year but that tells me a lot about you. :)]
I can predict exactly what you would say and who you would blame in a Democratic President had been in office for 7 years when this market 'correction' took place. I'm also sure that Seniors that are relying on their IRAs and 401k are comforted by these facts.
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Non-farm net gain Jan. '01 through about April '08 was 5 million jobs. Probably down to 4 million today, and another big drop before Bush leaves office.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/200...h-jobs-record/
I'm not sure of the exact number, but about one to two million jobs need to be created each year to keep up with population growth. It's by far the worst job creation performance by any modern day president. For example, Clinton created more net jobs than two terms of Reagan, two terms of Bush '43, and one term of Bush "41 combined.
Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. - Richard P. Feynman
Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test before the lesson.
Robert,
Thank you for that. I tried to find the exact figures and couldn't. I had thought it was around 5 million but I added a cushion to give Bush more credit than he deserved. I guess we 'Bush-Haters' are like that. :)
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I'll never forget the day he and his cousin cheated him into office in Florida, My Family is in Fla. I have a Sister there who is out of a job due to a lay off, and she is about to graduate from college as well, and can't even find anything in her prospective field, She's 50 Single and Scared, she's gonna have to re-take classes and loose money if she has to move in with us here in Texas. We thank Bush every day, and hope she finds something soon. I'll say it, I can't stand the guy, I moved to Denver in Jan.1990, right after the S&L Scandal took place the bank where GWB worked was not far from my place, I never saw so many people out of work and so many homes foreclosed til now. Look who was at the forefront of the S&L Scandal, Oh wait, Daddy was President and protected him from prison, others also guilty took the fall, not GWB, and then he became president??? somethings wrong. If McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time, looks like the same to me...
Just my take, no offense to anyone here. Ginny:)
Yeah, people wonder why we get involved in American politics, but it does effect us. The War on Iraq, the housing crisis, gun laws, all have an effect on us.
How do our gun laws effect Cannadians?
the guns seep into our nation, and into the wrong hands of criminals.
Do you really think Criminals obey gun laws?
doesn't matter. What matters is if they are arrested for them or not. Either way, what does that have to do with guns leaking across the border?
On our side of the border we have a saying: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
You remember when liquior was illegal in the US we had lots of it available most everywhere. If I recall correctly you Cannuks were one of our main sources of supply. We corrected the problem with reinstating legal liquor.
Your criminals will always have guns, if not obtained in the US the suppliers from the Far East, the Middle East, Europe will step up to supply the demand. If they don't your criminals will arrange to have thier own made.
Why do you fear guns? They aren't dangerous if well maintained. Only idiots with guns are dangerous when the sane do not have them.
Chip
If I'm not mistaken I believe that statistics show that Canadians have higher per capita gun ownership than the US. Maybe they just have less idiots. ;)
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Guns are not in my town, but larger centres, due to the cross border action. The guys do not have them here, because they cannot get them. Thus, the robberies we have are with knives. Plus, robbers only tend to use the guns if they think they are in danger. So having a gun really does not help, because as soon as you pull it out, someone will probably shoot the other person. Hopefully it is the robber who is shot, because of obvious reasons. But with his hand already on the trigger and yours on the pocket, he has the advantage.
Actually, I am wrong. We have lots of guns in my town. Tons. Of course, they are meant for hunting, are locked up in the basement and no one ever plans to use them for anything else.
But yeah, I do not really want to get into this issue, because the other night I was debating with someone the whole thing for hours at end. It was about when we heard about an 8 year old accidentally killing himself with his father's automatic weapon (an Uzi). I guess the father was trying to show him how to use it. We can blame the father all we want - won't bring the kid back.
So why do I like having guns not in my society? I feel far safer. I really do. It is like if you go and visit a nation with a dictator backed by the military. When you see military men on every corner, do you feel safer? I don't. So when I go to a place with loose gun laws, I feel less safe. I feel it is far easier for criminals to get guns and thus pose a threat to me.
Now you can say that criminals will have guns anyways, but nations with looser gun laws tend to have far more gun crime. Nationals with stricter gun laws tend to have lower gun possession with criminals.
so yeah, when I go out for a walk at 12am in a dark, lower income neighbourhood, I feel safer with stricter gun laws.
As for criminals who have guns. My opinion is if they are caught illegally with a gun, they should be locked up. Since criminals tend to get inspected far more often, it should remove many of these weapons off the streets.
Well I am not going to touch the idiot comment. Americans are awesome. Many Canadians just see guns in a different way. I live in a major forest region. I used to work for a town where we had black bears walking into school grounds. I was driving through the city a few weeks ago and had a deer run out on me on my way to Applebees.
Our gun ownership tends to be for hunting, and we think of our hunting rifles as something we hunt with. Not something we protect our family with. We protect our family with alarm systems, locks, and the police. And while not flawless, they do a great job.
With that said, most criminals are smart enough (even though they are idiots) to break into houses when no one is around. Why face the hassle? Hopefully, they do not steal your gun when that happens.
That is why I've always been a proponent of knive control! The bars of soap shaped like guns used to be a problem, but since Congress mandated the use of liquid soap, those crimes are almost non-existent.:bbg::D:bbg::D:bbg:
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We are seeing a far more serious rise in crime around my area. This has prompted city officials to ban ALL straws.
Seems would be robbers, unable to buy guns legally, have resorted to stealing straws. They tear the ends off and blow the paper at unwilling victims.
The only legal straws are the FezzJohns, Inc. "Krazy-Kooky Twisty-Turney Kurly-Q Straws" in neon green, flaming orange, and flamingo pink.
knives are okay. Easy to fight off and not deadly when used. There are no drive by knife throwings. Also, knives are made to cut food. Handguns are made to kill people. See the difference.
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What a sad state of crime. Fezz might get arrested drinking his beer with a straw after having blown the paper at some salesrep. :cheers: :hammer:
First, this election is not a referendum on the Bush administration. Both candidates have demonstrated that their respective administrations will differ ideologically with the current. So lets' stop looking in the rear-view, if you do that too much you will not see what's coming at you.
Second, this is the election of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA if people in other countries care so much about what we are doing, then immigrate here become a citizen then you will have a say.
Third, the gun thing, if we totally eliminate guns off the face of the earth I'm sure people will come up with other ways of committing evil acts against one another.
Fourth, break out the history books folks, the USA is a republic NOT a democracy. That's why the electoral college elects the president, that way every state's vote counts. This is not a nation of mob rule, but a nation governed by the rule of law.
the right to comment...........
I beg to differ.....................people in other countries care so mmuch because the US through its government has affected the world a lot over the past few years, from war to economic turmoil around the globe.
Poeple in other countries have never had more interest in the US elections as now and have the right to comments without having to move there and become citizens.
Gun control; Not shooting anyone with the guns we own.
Voter fraud; nonexsistent until McCain wins, then listen to Dem's.
Huh?
Hmmm....
So tell me, what kind of handguns did the 9/11 highjackers/murderers/terrorist use to accomplish their mission?
Oh that's right! They used box cutters!! Box cutters are used to cut boxes, and "are easy to fight off and not deadly when used"
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No, I don't see the difference...
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