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    course on tint prescribing

    At last its just about finished!

    After many attempts i have managed to set up to courses for professionals and parents in tint uses and prescribing and intend to market them in September /October.

    The first level course is for parents and non optical professionals - it will allow tint assessment and contains a kit with around 3000 tint colours - and it's cheap!
    It will allow a parent to determine best filter in an almost ideal colour space range, but not to determine optometric lens taking metamerism into account . This can be done online.

    The second level is for professionals (and parents if they wish), which incorporates tint prescribing theory and contains a lot of patient videos. It is radical in comparison to current optical training, but the science is well established (or at least most of it is)
    There are a few bits of conjecture, but there are good reasons for it. I suspect few optical professionals think they understand tint prescribing theory, this course will explain it.


    I am not sure whether to offer it on Udemy or keep it private and offer it on a website.
    I want to keep it low cost - under $100 for level 2 including downloadable tests and books.
    and around $50 for level 1 including assessment kit (which could be used by optical professionals that don't have specialised instrumentation).

    Do the professions want it kept private at this stage or should the public be given sufficient information to tell the optical professional what they require?

    This hopefully will be treated as an opportunity, not a threat, as I believe this will enhance optical professionalism.

    Comments and advice would be appreciated.

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    Interested!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarralad2 View Post
    At last its just about finished!

    This hopefully will be treated as an opportunity, not a threat, as I believe this will enhance optical professionalism.

    Comments and advice would be appreciated.
    OMG, I'm threatened! Wait, what?

    I'm curious, why would you be worried about anyone being threatened?

    And, for the record, I don't think this has anything do do with 'Optical Professionalism' but has plenty to do with 'Optical Industry Salesmanship' which is EXACTLY what people HATE about the industry.

    But, for any of you who want to PAY to be TAUGHT how to SELL tints? Go right ahead! Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quig View Post
    OMG, I'm threatened! Wait, what?

    I'm curious, why would you be worried about anyone being threatened?

    And, for the record, I don't think this has anything do do with 'Optical Professionalism' but has plenty to do with 'Optical Industry Salesmanship' which is EXACTLY what people HATE about the industry.

    But, for any of you who want to PAY to be TAUGHT how to SELL tints? Go right ahead! Enjoy!
    Sorry to disappoint, but nothing to do with selling tints. The level two incorporates working in color space, why tints can look the same but have completely different properties, testing techniques including both subjective and objective tests, metamerism and why it is critical, why most current methods of tint determination are scientifically inappropriate, clinical uses of filters and more importantly, how to prescribe and dispense them..

    Flicker fusion, McGurk effect, Pulfrich, univariance, color temperature, working with gamuts - using color vectors, which tint design to use, converting tint specifications when ambient lighting changes, international standards. But if you can do these already and understand the effects of multiple light sources and patient tolerances, you won't need a course, obviously. You will understand mcadams ellipses when supplying a filter, using different colour spaces - and you won't need to download 230 page book about tints and filters (no selling whatsoever), tests, assessment records.
    The worry about being threatened is that the knowledge will be given to non optical professionals at a very much higher standard than current optical training (in most places), do you think it is appropriate and do you feel that it is a good thing?

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    I had to look it up; Metamerism is a phenomenon that occurs when two colors appear to match under one lighting condition, but not when the light changes. Metameric matches are quite common, especially in near neutral colors like grays, whites, and dark colors like these.

    In colorimetry, metamerism is a perceived matching of colors with different spectral power distributions. Colors that match this way are called metamers.

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    Sounds interesting. Any overlap with Syntonics? Does this tie in with recent reports of the healing properties of red light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarralad2 View Post
    Sorry to disappoint, but nothing to do with selling tints. The level two incorporates working in color space, why tints can look the same but have completely different properties, testing techniques including both subjective and objective tests, metamerism and why it is critical, why most current methods of tint determination are scientifically inappropriate, clinical uses of filters and more importantly, how to prescribe and dispense them..

    Flicker fusion, McGurk effect, Pulfrich, univariance, color temperature, working with gamuts - using color vectors, which tint design to use, converting tint specifications when ambient lighting changes, international standards. But if you can do these already and understand the effects of multiple light sources and patient tolerances, you won't need a course, obviously. You will understand mcadams ellipses when supplying a filter, using different colour spaces - and you won't need to download 230 page book about tints and filters (no selling whatsoever), tests, assessment records.
    The worry about being threatened is that the knowledge will be given to non optical professionals at a very much higher standard than current optical training (in most places), do you think it is appropriate and do you feel that it is a good thing?
    Is English your second language?

    You're trying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too hard. But, I wish you the very best of luck. You know what they say about a sucker and his money...

    I do not believe there is a market for what you are doing, but, I've been wrong before. If you can find people that want to purchase your info/training/etc on all these theories more power to you.

    I did not say you were selling tints. You are attempting to sell training on how to sell tints (which is totally fine).

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael I. Davis View Post
    I had to look it up; Metamerism is a phenomenon that occurs when two colors appear to match under one lighting condition, but not when the light changes. Metameric matches are quite common, especially in near neutral colors like grays, whites, and dark colors like these.

    In colorimetry, metamerism is a perceived matching of colors with different spectral power distributions. Colors that match this way are called metamers.

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    Sounds interesting. Any overlap with Syntonics? Does this tie in with recent reports of the healing properties of red light?
    Syntonics form a very small part of course. You are right to observe that colour can be used by some to heal. Light and color have long been associated with healing, the great cathedrals of Europe used to place sick pilgrims underneath windows with stained glass to facilitate healing (and the glass itself has interesting transmission curves) - although this is not in the course - and there are many examples of colour use in healing of other types although this is often controversial.
    Just to give a taster, an interesting effect of color is that using retinal rivalry related color prescribing can sometimes stop alternating strabismus, and the science is obvious when you look at it. It's based on a univariant effect and the Pulfrich phenomenon - flicker fusion too.

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    Sorry, not true. Unless of course you sell tints because you understand their effects and how and when to prescribe them.There is precisely no marketing material in the course.

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    I'm certainly interested, and I think tints are greatly under appreciated by opticians.

    I've been keeping my eye on Zeiss biochrom for some time now: https://www.zeiss.com/vision-care/in...un-lenses.html

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    Hello,

    I am new on this site and excuse me if I am on the wrong topic.
    I work at a small lens manufacture and we are from Croatia.Not working there very long and previously was working in the optical shop. I am an optician.
    Now, I am tinting lenses. Well, traying to. The problem is with the 1,6 lenses that we make from blanks. As we colour them they are sent to be HC-oated and they are breaking there.Always tinting as BPI instructs as I am using their colours.
    Do any of you have any advice for me. Thanks for your time.

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    I would be interested! Just wondering if it would be a course that would be ABO credit approved? Please post when you have the course available for purchase!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael I. Davis View Post
    I had to look it up; Metamerism is a phenomenon that occurs when two colors appear to match under one lighting condition, but not when the light changes. Metameric matches are quite common, especially in near neutral colors like grays, whites, and dark colors like these.

    In colorimetry, metamerism is a perceived matching of colors with different spectral power distributions. Colors that match this way are called metamers.

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    Sounds interesting. Any overlap with Syntonics? Does this tie in with recent reports of the healing properties of red light?

    there is a slight overlap with syntonics, but prescribing a tint from an optimum gamut in colour space is very different from empirical prescribing methods. One of the most important aspects is that of univariant vectors in color space, this allows timing of neuro pathways to be tuned. metamerism is crucial when prescribing tints as they change when ambient lighting changes, so you must know how to address it, relying on color constancy is not ideal

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    I'm interested in either course you offer.

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    I'm interested, too.

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    I'm interested, please DM me if you can when you have your course live.

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    I had my wife get a copy of this book for me last year and it is, imo, a must for those who want to explore outside the box thinking on vision and how the brain deals with color.

    https://www.lulu.com/en/au/shop/ian-...-1y84gvyp.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarralad2 View Post
    At last its just about finished!

    After many attempts i have managed to set up to courses for professionals and parents in tint uses and prescribing and intend to market them in September /October.

    The first level course is for parents and non optical professionals - it will allow tint assessment and contains a kit with around 3000 tint colours - and it's cheap!
    It will allow a parent to determine best filter in an almost ideal colour space range, but not to determine optometric lens taking metamerism into account . This can be done online.

    The second level is for professionals (and parents if they wish), which incorporates tint prescribing theory and contains a lot of patient videos. It is radical in comparison to current optical training, but the science is well established (or at least most of it is)
    There are a few bits of conjecture, but there are good reasons for it. I suspect few optical professionals think they understand tint prescribing theory, this course will explain it.


    I am not sure whether to offer it on Udemy or keep it private and offer it on a website.
    I want to keep it low cost - under $100 for level 2 including downloadable tests and books.
    and around $50 for level 1 including assessment kit (which could be used by optical professionals that don't have specialised instrumentation).

    Do the professions want it kept private at this stage or should the public be given sufficient information to tell the optical professional what they require?

    This hopefully will be treated as an opportunity, not a threat, as I believe this will enhance optical professionalism.

    Comments and advice would be appreciated.
    I tend to let the sales associates handle the customer interaction so I'm not positive as to the market for this sort of training.
    I am interested for my own personal development.

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    Its now complete and ready for ordering - this is the first place that it has been seen
    To order direct https://sensoryprocessingcentre.myec...?hash=70b39fc5

    there is also a short video on youtube

    https://youtu.be/LL1_Vq47e1Q

    The syllabus includes recognition of when a tint is necessary, tint prescribing and management, various specialist areas, theory and practice of tint prescribing. It has around 8hrs of videos, 400 pages of text, animations when appropriate and is accessible to those without expert knowledge.

    Delivery to anywhere in world

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    Sir,I have same problem with 1.6 tinted lenses.pls advice if any.

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