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    Redhot Jumper The other shoe has dropped!

    THE OTHER SHOE HAS DROPPED!

    JLARC (Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission) has recommended that OPTICIANS in VIRGINIA be DEREGULATED.

    This is NO JOKE. This is the REAL DEAL.

    If you are a LICENSED OPTICIAN IN VIRGINIA AND NOT A MEMBER OF OAV, WE NEED YOU NOW AND YOU NEED US TO WORK TO SAVE OUR LICENSES.

    Join us at www.vaopticians.org TODAY! The legislation will come before the General Assembly in JANUARY.
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    Blue Jumper ...........................has recommended that OPTICIANS in VIRGINIA be DEREGULATED.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post

    JLARC (Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission) has recommended that OPTICIANS in VIRGINIA be DEREGULATED.

    This is NO JOKE. This is the REAL DEAL.

    Join us at
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    TODAY! The legislation will come before the General Assembly in JANUARY.


    .................well, well, well.

    The forces behind the scene for a deregulated optical retail market in eyeglasses in Virginia have worked successfully to get it before the General Assembly for a vote to deregulate opticians in Virginia.

    This could mean that they have enough members to vote yes to deregulate the optical retail sales in Virginia.

    Another advance by the forces that promote a uncontrolled market.
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    Redhot Jumper 11 occupations regulated by DPOR that do not appear to meet the criteria.............

    There are 11 occupations regulated by DPOR that do not appear to meet the criteria for regulation that are established in the Code of Virginia. These occupations include community managers, opticians, residential energy analysts, soil scientists, waste management facility operators, landscape architects, naturalgas automobile mechanics, and others. State statute clearly indicates that the state should not restrict access to any occupation unless it is “necessary for the protection or preservation of the health, safety, and welfare of the public” (§ 54.1-100). These occupations do not meet the criteria, and regulation of these occupations could be reduced or eliminated through legislation.

    see all of it:
    http://jlarc.virginia.gov/pdfs/reports/Rpt509.pdf


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    It is a recommendation by JLARC, not a done deal. The Opticians Association of Virginia will fight this move tooth and nail.

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    We will fight this move!

    Dear Virginia Optician,
    On October 09, 2018 the Joint Legislative Audit & Review Commission (JLARC), a commission that conducts program evaluation, policy analysis and oversight of state agencies on behalf of the Virginia General Assembly, released a report recommending the DEREGULATION of OPTICIANS.
    To be perfectly clear, this is an official recommendation for the deregulation of Virginia Opticians. No license would be required to manufacture, sell or dispense eyeglasses by any company or person in Virginia if this is allowed to stand.
    Deregulation of Opticianry in Virginia would have dire consequences and negative outcomes for our patients, Optometrists and for all Licensed Opticians regardless of employer.
    Patients will suffer because Opticians are specifically educated and trained to deliver the prescription as intended and to a standard of accuracy using a myriad of lens designs, materials, precise measurements and careful adjustments to achieve the best corrected vision. Opticians serve as the best patient advocate for and the knowledgeable professional between the doctor and patient when the prescription needs to be revised. In short, Licensed Opticians are trained to translate the doctor’s written prescription into functional eyewear, taking into consideration their wants and needs and to effectively communicate with the prescriber any issues that arise during the entire process.
    Optometry has cause for concern because the deregulation of Opticians will only serve to further erode their control of eyeglass and contact lens prescriptions. With companies such as Opternative and other tele-refracting services becoming more prevalent, the Optometrists role in generating eyeglass prescriptions will also spiral downward.
    For the average Optician in Virginia the results of deregulation will be catastrophic. Obviously the Opticians working in a big box retail environment will suffer when they are replaced by minimum wage employees or forced to make concessions. Opticians employed by MD’s or OD’s are not immune either as the downward spiral of retail pricing will not support the professional salary levels in many practices. In fact, the downward pressure will also be felt by the independent Optician/ business owner as they will be forced to reevaluate the cost of doing business with professional salaries.
    The hard truth is the deregulation of our profession will be devastating for many parties and for many reasons. This is happening and will pass the Virginia General Assembly in January unless all of us fight to keep our profession.
    There will be an opportunity to further discuss this issue at the OAV Fall Conference on November 3rd following the Am I Legal presentation at 5PM in Winchester, VA at the Holiday Inn-Historic Gateway. For more information, please visit the OAV website at www.vaopticians.org.
    The Opticians Association of Virginia will continue to provide updates and calls to action but we need you to become a member and help. Please visit our website www.vaopticians.org and be ready to contact your respective legislators in the coming weeks.

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    Blue Jumper It has happened already ............................

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post

    Please visit our website www.vaopticians.org and be ready to contact your respective legislators in the coming weeks.


    It has happened already in the of the most populated Canadian Provinces, and passed very easily.

    British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. the most populated Provinces, have been deregulated, while Ontario is still under appeal.
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    Optical Dispensing was deregulated in Australia in 2009. One of the reasons given was to 'remove unnecessary costs to business'. The Government of the day also deregulated lift mechanics along with others. Needless to say I prefer to take the stairs now.

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    Republican governors in Massachusetts occasionally bring this up and find it shot down by the democrat's in our House and Senate.

    Who rules each branch in Virginia? Would a change November 6 create a more favorable legislature to keep licensing or are they, like Massachusetts, susceptible to "campaign contributors" aka corporate lobbyists spreading cash around to the right people?
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    Blue Jumper corporate lobbyists spreading cash around to the right people .......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post

    Who rules each branch in Virginia? Would a change November 6 create a more favorable legislature to keep licensing or are they, like Massachusetts, susceptible to "campaign contributors" aka corporate lobbyists spreading cash around to the right people?

    ................that probably is the right answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    It has happened already in the of the most populated Canadian Provinces, and passed very easily.

    British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. the most populated Provinces, have been deregulated, while Ontario is still under appeal.
    Ontario opticians have NOT been deregulated.

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    Blue Jumper My error, I was wrong this time see correction.....................

    I practice in Ontario and the province has NOT been deregulated......................


    Originally Posted by Golfnorth

    I practice in Ontario and the province has NOT been deregulated.







    Mt error and You are correct...............and I was wrong that this was about deregulation, post instead that it had to do with the court case against Coastal/Clearly which they lost and appealed.



    TORONTO, ONTARIO ( Marketwired - December 14, 2016)

    - In a move to protect Ontario patients, the College of Opticians of Ontario and the College of Optometrists of Ontario have turned to the courts, seeking an injunction that would prohibit Clearly, owned by Essilor Group of Canada Inc. from dispensing prescription eyeglasses and contact lenses online to the Ontario public, without following Ontario legislatio


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    So, tell me, is a license worth the paper it is printed on when a licensed optician requests a polarized plano in 1.67 because "that is what the patient requested"? AND, the lenses being replaced were for a brand new pair of off the shelf Marchon polarized suns. No clue about ABBE, no clue about specific gravity, no clue that the original lenses were already polarized with a BSAR. Didn't even suggest Trivex. Worse yet, come to find out, didn't know anything about Trivex. But, he has a VA license in good standing........I support both VA and MD locations, and I see far less idiocy from unlicensed MD opticians compared to the licensed VA opticians.
    Sometimes, I just wonder out loud.......

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    Blue Jumper You will find people like that all over the world..............................

    Quote Originally Posted by lensmanmd View Post

    So, tell me, is a license worth the paper it is printed on when a licensed optician requests a polarized plano in 1.67 because "that is what the patient requested"? AND, the lenses being replaced were for a brand new pair of off the shelf Marchon polarized suns. ...........................

    But, he has a VA license in good standing..................

    Sometimes, I just wonder out loud.......


    You will find people like that all over the world. So it does not mean that the profession in general is that bad.

    However, opticians have for the last few centuries enjoyed a higher than usual gross profit because in the olden days there was a lot more breakage, due to the reason that lenses were only available in mineral glass.

    It was mainly hand crafted work. Also the machinery to work glass lenses was very primitive until the 1950s when the first modern automatic edger was introduced by American Optical, but still had only a ceramic wheel.

    This has all changed with all the modern equipment that is available these days. Breakage and redos are mainly due to or by human error these days.

    However the pricing of this new type automatic machinery is in a higher echelon, so that many small retail opticians have stopped to do the work in their store and order the glasses finished at a wholesale lab and pay the higher price for it.

    The retail store will charge their customers still the age old markup multiplier as if they had done the practical work themselves, which results in the highest possibel pricing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    THE OTHER SHOE HAS DROPPED!

    JLARC (Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission) has recommended that OPTICIANS in VIRGINIA be DEREGULATED.

    This is NO JOKE. This is the REAL DEAL.

    If you are a LICENSED OPTICIAN IN VIRGINIA AND NOT A MEMBER OF OAV, WE NEED YOU NOW AND YOU NEED US TO WORK TO SAVE OUR LICENSES.

    Join us at www.vaopticians.org TODAY! The legislation will come before the General Assembly in JANUARY.

    Hello Judy and THANK YOU!
    What is the process for presenting opposing arguments to the proposed deregulation? What will the OAV be doing and how can we become directly involved in helping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Republican governors in Massachusetts occasionally bring this up and find it shot down by the democrat's in our House and Senate.

    Who rules each branch in Virginia? Would a change November 6 create a more favorable legislature to keep licensing or are they, like Massachusetts, susceptible to "campaign contributors" aka corporate lobbyists spreading cash around to the right people?
    No, they spread the money around evenly. They aren't stupid.


    Deregulation is a slap in the face of eye care. Period.


    Big business wormed its way into eye care over the past 40 years and now they are big enough (and our legislators are corrupt enough) to buy themselves the unhindered right to commercialize eye care.

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    Redhot Jumper ....................then better get used to it

    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post

    No, they spread the money around evenly. They aren't stupid.4

    Deregulation is a slap in the face of eye care. Period.

    Big business wormed its way into eye care over the past 40 years and now they are big enough
    (and our legislators are corrupt enough) to buy themselves the unhindered right to commercialize eye care.


    ....................then better get used to it and adjust your own business to the new old way, to compete and stay commercially alive and afloat.

    Sears and their K-Mart, did not, and are going to their own funeral.
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    K-Mart isn't health care.

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    Redhot Jumper K-Mart isn't health care....................................

    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post

    K-Mart isn't health care.

    YES IT IS NOT...................however it belongs to Sears who went bankrupt over the last weekend, so it is a goner too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lensmanmd View Post
    So, tell me, is a license worth the paper it is printed on when a licensed optician requests a polarized plano in 1.67 because "that is what the patient requested"? AND, the lenses being replaced were for a brand new pair of off the shelf Marchon polarized suns. No clue about ABBE, no clue about specific gravity, no clue that the original lenses were already polarized with a BSAR. Didn't even suggest Trivex. Worse yet, come to find out, didn't know anything about Trivex. But, he has a VA license in good standing........I support both VA and MD locations, and I see far less idiocy from unlicensed MD opticians compared to the licensed VA opticians.
    Sometimes, I just wonder out loud.......
    I would say that your experience is an anomaly and not the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyecare Pro View Post
    Hello Judy and THANK YOU!
    What is the process for presenting opposing arguments to the proposed deregulation? What will the OAV be doing and how can we become directly involved in helping?
    OAV has a lobbying firm working with us to stop this short-sighted recommendation. What can you do? Join OAV. Your dues provide the working capital we will need. $30K is a big nut for us, but we are committed to the fight. www.vaopticians.org. If you're not a VA licensed optician, go to our Facebook and donate what you can!

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    When I gave a lecture in NY this past weekend, this VA issue was raised and discussed. What I noticed was the discussion was almost strictly centered on the negatives if opticians ade delicensed.

    Why not also focus on the positives and the benefits to the public of CEs, education and licensure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Santini View Post
    When I gave a lecture in NY this past weekend, this VA issue was raised and discussed. What I noticed was the discussion was almost strictly centered on the negatives if opticians ade delicensed.

    Why not also focus on the positives and the benefits to the public of CEs, education and licensure?

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    We will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    I would say that your experience is an anomaly and not the norm.
    I wish I could agree. Alas, I cannot, not from my chair, and not from what I see on a daily basis.
    Here is an example. POW on a Silhouette 3 piece. PX having trouble with overall VA. I ask the licensed optician to provide me with full POW so that I could customize her PAL. The response, “it’s a Silhouette, I can’t take POW measurements”. This is an optician that has been Virginia licensed for close to two decades. What is so difficult about providing POW on SLHs?
    I have worked closely with FL, NY and CT licensed opticians and never have I had any issues. The MD opticians, all ABO certified seldom give me issues. MD is unlicensed. Perhaps I’m expecting too much from our Virginia brethrens?

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    Well, that was uncalled for. As you know, I work for a lab as well. I'm also a VA licensed optician. I do not have the same experience with my VA accounts as you seem to. I wonder why?
    So, since I have been an Optiboarder since 1995 and have never hidden behind a screen name, who are you and who do you work for? We can discuss lab issues like grown-ups.

    In any event, this is not the post for this discussion. Though I am curious as to why you chose this thread to attack VA licensed Opticians.

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