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    New Shamir PAL?

    Hi there. This is my first start of a thread. I've gleaned info off of this site for some years now and thought I should finally join :-)

    A VSP rep was visiting yesterday and told me that Shamir is rolling out a new PAL. I think she said it was called the "Intelligence" lens? Regardless, it's supposed to be better than the Auto III. Anyone heard of it and know it's selling features?

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    There is the Shamir Smart and also the Shamir Smart Attitude(true, I didn't make this up) but I've not heard anything about the Intelligence.

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    sounds stupid

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    Yes, there is a new design being released a Expo this year. I can't tell you much other than it truly uses a new technology in the way the prescription is calculated at your lab. And it will be a top dollar lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentlabguy View Post
    Yes, there is a new design being released a Expo this year. I can't tell you much other than it truly uses a new technology in the way the prescription is calculated at your lab. And it will be a top dollar lens.
    It uses a new technology or new software and algorithms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    It uses a new technology or new software and algorithms?
    Whats the difference? Isnt a new algorithm new technology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujiradesu View Post
    Whats the difference? Isnt a new algorithm new technology?
    Sure I guess it would fall under the "application of science" definition of Technology. I know its probably splitting hairs but if its nothing more than a new calculation of blur management that increases the sensation of the corridor width being 2% wider it would be "truly new technology" but that is a much broader definition than I would hope for. Camber lenses, Varilux X blanks, those imho are "truly new technologies"

    I just was wondering what it is thats all.

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    https://www.shamirlens.com/technology?tab=93


    This is a link to the Shamir tech bullet points. The 'Intelli-Corridor' has been a part of their higher-end PALs for couple of generations. It pertains to the how quickly the distance RX fades into reading. Not sure if this is what was being referred to, but it is featured with Auto III and the InTouch, probably along with a few others.

    Either way, welcome aboard charisw!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post
    https://www.shamirlens.com/technology?tab=93


    This is a link to the Shamir tech bullet points. The 'Intelli-Corridor' has been a part of their higher-end PALs for couple of generations. It pertains to the how quickly the distance RX fades into reading. Not sure if this is what was being referred to, but it is featured with Auto III and the InTouch, probably along with a few others.

    Either way, welcome aboard charisw!
    I heard tell that the new lens will be a departure from the intellicorridor. Not sure if that is accurate, but it was put out there.
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    I was talking to a Shamir rep yesterday. He mentioned a new lens coming out with the name..........wait for it.............here it comes...............Autograph IV!

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    And here comes another lens and another rep with a new song and dance about how much better their lens is then everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGor View Post
    I was talking to a Shamir rep yesterday. He mentioned a new lens coming out with the name..........wait for it.............here it comes...............Autograph IV!
    No way. Really? How...unoriginal. Although, it does make it easy to determine where it is in the whole line-up of Shamir lenses. Did the rep say what kind of "new" technology was going into it?

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    One thing I will say about Shamir at least they wait until they actually have something new before they release it, The Auto III was a big improvement (for hyperopes at least) over the Auto II.

    They don't seem to feel pressured to have a brand new best ever lens every 10 months like some other companies do.

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    No mention of any new technology although it is to be assumed a new lens/design will be incorporating new tech. Won't it?

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    They did mention something new but asked to not share the info or would have to off you:)) they are coming out with something that sounds pretty exciting.. hopefully soon because I am bored for lack of anything new lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGor View Post
    I was talking to a Shamir rep yesterday. He mentioned a new lens coming out with the name..........wait for it.............here it comes...............Autograph IV!
    Nope. It's called the Autograph Intelligence and it uses Artificial Intelligence (AI). Lens will be announced at Expo and available Oct. 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentlabguy View Post
    Nope. It's called the Autograph Intelligence and it uses Artificial Intelligence (AI). Lens will be announced at Expo and available Oct. 1st.
    I know you can't get into the specifics... but that is cool. I'm assuming they didn't create the AI themselves... Do you know whose model they are basing theirs off of?

    EDIT: Also I have just tried to think of what an AI would add to on the fly free form lens design. I can't think of a benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    I know you can't get into the specifics... but that is cool. I'm assuming they didn't create the AI themselves... Do you know whose model they are basing theirs off of?

    EDIT: Also I have just tried to think of what an AI would add to on the fly free form lens design. I can't think of a benefit.
    This is just speculation, but I am under the assumption that when the free form calculator runs its calculations, the AI aspect will simulate the patient wearing the design and make adjustments based off of it's calculations. Free Forms of today take into account the entire Rx and calculate that with the frame measurements to make a custom design, I am assuming this will take it a step further with AI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentlabguy View Post
    Nope. It's called the Autograph Intelligence and it uses Artificial Intelligence (AI). Lens will be announced at Expo and available Oct. 1st.
    Thanks.
    Yep, I got that little tidbit a bit late to share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentlabguy View Post
    This is just speculation, but I am under the assumption that when the free form calculator runs its calculations, the AI aspect will simulate the patient wearing the design and make adjustments based off of it's calculations. Free Forms of today take into account the entire Rx and calculate that with the frame measurements to make a custom design, I am assuming this will take it a step further with AI.
    Still seems like something that could be achieved by research, a complex data array and algorithms. I still can't understand what an AI system could add to lens design but I'm SUPER excited to eat cheese and drink wine while I learn about it.

    I also hope the cost of the AUTOIII comes down hah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by independentlabguy View Post
    Nope. It's called the Autograph Intelligence and it uses Artificial Intelligence (AI). Lens will be announced at Expo and available Oct. 1st.
    That sounds a lot like Hoya's MyStyle consultation tool. To be sure, the algorithms can be tweaked and improved, face-to-face consultation with a competent ophthalmic optician will outperform the stupid and careless AI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Martellaro View Post
    That sounds a lot like Hoya's MyStyle consultation tool. To be sure, the algorithms can be tweaked and improved, face-to-face consultation with a competent ophthalmic optician will outperform the stupid and careless AI.

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    A true AI will never be stupid or careless, and will have nothing to do with this lens, either. When a real AI exists we as human beings will all be living in single family homes of our own with no cares but painting, writing, philosophy and laughter or will be running from Arnold and his leather jacket or eating spicy ramen and wondering if androids dream of electric sheep.

    One thing I am certain of is this lens will be nothing but a a faster processor, new real world data to analyze, and a few tweaks to an algorithm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    A true AI will never be stupid or careless, and will have nothing to do with this lens, either. When a real AI exists we as human beings will all be living in single family homes of our own with no cares but painting, writing, philosophy and laughter or will be running from Arnold and his leather jacket or eating spicy ramen and wondering if androids dream of electric sheep.

    One thing I am certain of is this lens will be nothing but a a faster processor, new real world data to analyze, and a few tweaks to an algorithm.
    Progressive addition lens design has reached a practical maximum- the only way to improve performance is with stronger government standards for ophthalmic optician training and education.

    Nice references to three possible human race futures- Solaria/Asimov, Skynet/Cameron-Ellison, Post-apocalyptic/Dick

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