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    Business ethics in optics

    Hi, Optiboarders!
    We're having a hot discussion in our area...
    What would you say, if the doctor ophthalmologist, he is the owner of an optician shop also, would began to discuss and spread online in an open access his wholesale prices on lenses and frames. Is it affordable in your country? We don't have NDA's on our barbarian market, yet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    Hi, Optiboarders!
    We're having a hot discussion in our area...
    What would you say, if the doctor ophthalmologist, he us the owner of an optician shop also, would began to discuss and spread online in an open access his wholesale prices on lenses and frames. Is it affordable in your country? We don't have NDA's on our barbarian market, yet)
    He sounds like an idiot to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    He sounds like an idiot to me.
    Heh, to me too. But he don't think he's doing anything wrong about it, and doesn't want to listen to anybody... So I've started to doubt if it's me wrong, not him))
    But can anyone please give me some more info about how it is regulated(?) in your country? Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    Heh, to me too. But he don't think he's doing anything wrong about it, and doesn't want to listen to anybody... So I've started to doubt if it's me wrong, not him))
    But can anyone please give me some more info about how it is regulated(?) in your country? Thank you.
    As a lens manufacturer and supplier, I will sell into any market globally for cost plus 20 points on the following conditions:

    1. You agree to receive products in 5 days on average
    2. You agree to cover all shipping costs from Canada to your destination
    3. You agree to import to your country under your rules and cover any costs associated
    4. You agree to zero warranty coverage on all products shipped
    5. You agree to sign a non-disclosure agreement

    This is no joke and will save you hundreds of thousands per year in lens costs. PM me if interested.

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    Where is Borysko when you need him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbaker View Post
    Where is Borysko when you need him.
    What about Borysko?) He is a specialist on this topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post

    What about Borysko?) He is a specialist on this topic?





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    Hello. Please apologize to my long absence. Greedy American cable company take away my internets because I cannot make a pay. Now, I have to use computer inside a local librarian. But I am no here to make a cry on you like Belarus man after many vodka and horse fluid cocktails. I here to help. A nice optiboard men suggest on me, "Borysko, tell us how to make a troubled shootings on a progressives." So I will paint some scenarios on you and you can please put them inside you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    He sounds like an idiot to me.
    Not a smart thing to do. Is it against any regulation? None that I know of. All I can say is...although they are very intelligent, some doctors can be really dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mervinek View Post
    Not a smart thing to do. Is it against any regulation? None that I know of. All I can say is...although they are very intelligent, some doctors can be really dumb.
    As far as I know, this issue is not regulated by anyone in our country.

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    In a way, I wish the cat would go out of the bag.

    Then we could itemize our professional services and show our low cost of materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    In a way, I wish the cat would go out of the bag.

    Then we could itemize our professional services and show our low cost of materials.
    There's a trend in our country that service goes almost totally free compared to lenses price)) So selling lenses is the one source of $$ for an optician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    There's a trend in our country that service goes almost totally free compared to lenses price)) So selling lenses is the one source of $$ for an optician.
    You aren't alone in that way friend.

    drk I would gladly break it down a la carte for people, I have zero doubt they would rather have the all inclusive package when I start charging for everything.

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    I should say "competitive cost of materials".

    The service is worth it.

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    Can you imagine how fast people's heads would spin if we started charging "consultation fees" for frame fittings as opticians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaspoweredrobot View Post
    Can you imagine how fast people's heads would spin if we started charging "consultation fees" for frame fittings as opticians?
    It will be a world where you can get a $5 haircut or a $500 styling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaspoweredrobot View Post
    Can you imagine how fast people's heads would spin if we started charging "consultation fees" for frame fittings as opticians?
    This isn't totally a bad idea.

    My other staff can sometimes attract patients who take up a lot of their time "window shopping" or purely seeking optical advice, but in a pain in the *** kind of way.

    These patients then can linger on for weeks, even months simply because they might be looking for the perfect red frame to put their 56 pd and -8.00 OU rx in.

    I don't entertain these types of patients, but they do. I know a lost cause or waste of money when I see one. There is another optometrist in my shopping center where I recommend they go.
    Erik Zuniga, ABOC.

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    I think opticians are, reductively, going to become eyewear tailors. People can buy suits online too, but that didn’t kill the specialized tailoring industry at all — quite the opposite, they charged for their time and services, and ended up picking up money on the table (for measurements, adjustments, materials...) left there by the online chop shops.

    A hard, atomic-level look on what we actually offer, in a way that could be explained in court (should unionizing end up being a factor in this as well) is in order.

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    gaspoweredrobot, i think it's the only way wor optician to survive as occupation)

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