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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    Chris, the issue with that model is a consumer can purchase the same brands online with a selling price lower than your cost.

    Then all is left to sell and promote is service, from adjusting to whatever is needed.

    You can not reverse history. I have not yet purchased any glasses online, but everything else from cameras to air conditioners if I can save 30 to 40% over regular retail.

    The Essilux merger will make them the largest block of optical online retailers, worldwide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Then all is left to sell and promote is service, from adjusting to whatever is needed.

    You can not reverse history. I have not yet purchased any glasses online, but everything else from cameras to air conditioners if I can save 30 to 40% over regular retail.

    The Essilux merger will make them the largest block of optical online retailers, worldwide.
    Consumers are never that loyal. Import the Chinese knock offs of the brands at a fraction of the price and now one can compete. It's already happening and most aren't even aware of it, nor can they tell the difference.

    As for the lenses, there are hundreds of private label brands in today's marketplace that will perform the same in quality as the big boys also at a fraction of the price.

    ECP's don't realize that there are other options out there if you search hard enough. Corporations have basically brain washed them into believing there is nothing out there that compares with their products. Even the Big H is guilty of this. It's all BS and self preservation.

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    Redhot Jumper We can expect to hear, that the merger has been completed ..........................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    ECP's don't realize that there are other options out there if you search hard enough. Corporations have basically brain washed them into believing there is nothing out there that compares with their products. Even the Big H is guilty of this. It's all BS and self preservation.

    Good point.......................

    So far nobody has else come up with another action idea to counter what is going start in a few days from today, or anytime thereafter.

    Optiboard and a very few others, are your only instant and direct communication means left on the internet, at a time when such a means is of the highest value.

    As of next Monday July 2, 2018 we can expect to hear, that the merger has been completed or will happen anytime now, and read and experience a new way, to sell eyeglasses to the public, in massive worldwide, news and advertising campaigns.

    The official change of optical eyeglass retail sales, is going to happen over the next few days !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Good point.......................

    So far nobody has else come up with another action idea to counter what is going start in a few days from today, or anytime thereafter.

    Optiboard and a very few others, are your only instant and direct communication means left on the internet, at a time when such a means is of the highest value.

    As of next Monday July 2, 2018 we can expect to hear, that the merger has been completed or will happen anytime now, and read and experience a new way, to sell eyeglasses to the public, in massive worldwide, news and advertising campaigns.

    The official change of optical eyeglass retail sales, is going to happen over the next few days !
    The sun will still rise and set that day Chris. The OD's I've spoken with recently are starting to make the migration away from them but it's a slow process for most. To change an entire office and retrain your staff requires time and patience.

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    So now with the postponement to the end of July they all can relax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    So now with the postponement to the end of July they all can relax.
    China could pull a Trump and end the whole thing dead in its tracks.

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    Blue Jumper Lens maker has farsighted vision............................

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    China could pull a Trump and end the whole thing dead in its tracks.

    If China would pull a Trump as you say .............the counter move by the French/Italians could also threaten to pull out all of their manufacturing in China and move it to another location.

    .............and here is the real reason:


    Lensmaker has farsighted vision

    By Shi Jing in Shanghai | ChinaDaily | Updated: 2018-02-13 09:54


    We entered China In 1995. Now, 800 million Chinese people need vision correction but only a few hundreds of them have really corrected their vision. The biggest vision issues in China is myopia. To that end, our first purpose in China is to enlarge our capacity of production. That's why we have done a number of partnerships in the past few years.



    See all of it:

    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20180...dcc13c742.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    If China would pull a Trump as you say .............the counter move by the French/Italians could also threaten to pull out all of their manufacturing in China and move it to another location.

    .............and here is the real reason:


    Lensmaker has farsighted vision

    By Shi Jing in Shanghai | ChinaDaily | Updated: 2018-02-13 09:54


    We entered China In 1995. Now, 800 million Chinese people need vision correction but only a few hundreds of them have really corrected their vision. The biggest vision issues in China is myopia. To that end, our first purpose in China is to enlarge our capacity of production. That's why we have done a number of partnerships in the past few years.



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    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20180...dcc13c742.html
    Which would then transpire into a price increase on all products that are already far over priced.

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    Redhot Jumper a price increase on all products that are already far over priced....................

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    Which would then transpire into a price increase on all products that are already far over priced.

    Yes it would .............................

    A price increase at the manufacturing level in today's business world will translate into a higher cost to the end user. Depending on the product type and multiplier used, as well as through how many hands it goes before reaching the end user.

    In the optical retail, which has used and enjoyed one of the higher markups for the last 200 years because of the high level of lens breakage cost when they were still made in glass.

    In the newest wave of optical eyeglass sellers on the internet
    the largest block is owned by the world's largest two optical manufacturers which are expected to merge at the end of this month, July 2018, and their pricing hike would be minimal to even make a difference on the retail level.
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    This isn't going well.

    Essilor/Clearly Injunction Appeal Update

    In an effort to protect Ontario patients, the College of Optometrists of Ontario and the College of Opticians of Ontario initiated a legal proceeding against Essilor Group of Canada Inc./Clearly. The Colleges sought an injunction that would prohibit Clearly from dispensing prescription eyeglasses and contact lenses online to the Ontario public, without following Ontario legislation. On January 11, 2018, the Superior Court of Justice for Ontario granted the injunction. Clearly sought an appeal of the decision, which was heard on September 21, 2018.

    On April 4, 2019, the Court of Appeal for Ontario released its decision granting Clearly’s appeal.

    The College of Optometrists of Ontario and the College of Opticians of Ontario are disappointed with the outcome of this appeal. We will take time to conduct a more fulsome review of the decision and provide further information at a later date.

    The full press release can be found on the College website.

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    Really? How many years have they had now to "conduct a more fulsome review?" The real question is "Why did Ontario colleges decide to go to court this late in the game?"
    It's hard to see how that choice has anything to do with "in an effort to protect Ontario patients". With all the previous losses it seems more likely it was an effort to legalize what they have no idea how to stop. The only way this "protects Ontario patients" is to legalize what the patients are doing anyhow while they snub their noses at colleges and college members. The entire concept of the Colleges "protecting patients" line is very tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    Really? How many years have they had now to "conduct a more fulsome review?" The real question is "Why did Ontario colleges decide to go to court this late in the game?"
    It's hard to see how that choice has anything to do with "in an effort to protect Ontario patients". With all the previous losses it seems more likely it was an effort to legalize what they have no idea how to stop. The only way this "protects Ontario patients" is to legalize what the patients are doing anyhow while they snub their noses at colleges and college members. The entire concept of the Colleges "protecting patients" line is very tired.
    Too little too late. Consumers will do what they want these days and the necessity of a governing body(s) to protect those same consumers from those horrible heinous serial killer mass murderer opticians and optometrists that are on episodes of forensic files is no longer needed. I can recall two really bad apples over the years, but nobody ever got hurt or injured.

    The colleges are a self serving make work project full of perks, entitlements and special privileges for its internal staff and registrars, all compiled financially from its members and the large corporations that they then do a 180 on to actually look like they're doing something for its members.

    idispense, surely you recall from just a few years ago that lovely duo hobnobbing all over the world who were never to be seen again, having expensive dinners, enjoying the chardonnay and cab franc while at the same time making enemies with the OD college? They should have been making allies back then and now all has come full circle. I remember when the two colleges almost sued each other, what a joke.

    I'm guessing to cover those large legal bills, there will be huge membership increases on the horizon. Even better, the serving of humble pie coming when both colleges put their tails between their legs and extend their hands back out looking for more corporate donations.

    Whip cream anyone?

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    Save the cream for my coffee,please.

    In the transcripts of the very first Clearly judgement and appeals in BC , the judges gave guidance to every College as to how to solve this. Non listened or non read it. Which of the hired lawyers read it ? How many decades old is that case now?

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    hurray inrceased member fees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    idispense, surely you recall from just a few years ago that lovely duo hobnobbing all over the world who were never to be seen again, having expensive dinners, enjoying the chardonnay and cab franc while at the same time making enemies with the OD college? They should have been making allies back then and now all has come full circle. I remember when the two colleges almost sued each other, what a joke.
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    which duo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    hurray inrceased member fees



    which duo?
    If you don't know already, you will have to do some research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post
    If you don't know already, you will have to do some research.
    Where can I start? I don't even know what faction you are referring to anymore. This place is the only place I get opinionated news from

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