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    Ian Jordan Go Fund Me For East Coast Lecture???

    Throwing it out there---
    Ian Jordan is a Scottish Optician on the cutting edge of tints and visual perception.

    Some will recognize the name. We've discussed him visiting for a lecture but it never seems to get off the ground.

    If possible I'll pledge the first $100 to bring him over but will need help getting a go fund me page going.

    I'd love to see it close to home in Boston but would travel the East coast to say Virginia to meet and hear him lecture.

    Full disclosure - He is a sometimes poster on the Optiboard but gets rightfully discouraged when some naysayers dismiss it as false science.

    Now let me see if I can find the fascinating pictures that show EEG's proving the electric activation (or lack there of) in area's of the brain when some individuals are exposed to specific tints. Meanwhile- explore the rest of his web site as well---

    http://www.jordanseyes.com/page18.htm

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    I’ll match that $100

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    This looks familiar.

    I think it was left as a possible video conference.

    Very busy time of year to try to do this right now however!

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    My vote is for a video conference! I would love to see it and know with my limited schedule, I would not be able to travel.

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    A live lecture would be most excellent, however critical mass may require a more traveled lecture series, and probably coast to cost, visiting select cities. A video option seems a much more logical option - at least initially. Perhaps a platform like Patreon or the like would allow him to be properly paid for his time, while allowing the broadest possible audience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    A live lecture would be most excellent, however critical mass may require a more traveled lecture series, and probably coast to cost, visiting select cities. A video option seems a much more logical option - at least initially. Perhaps a platform like Patreon or the like would allow him to be properly paid for his time, while allowing the broadest possible audience?
    +1 for a live lecture. Maybe a hybrid lecture in a densely populated city with concurrent live cast of the lecture to those outside of the feasable travel distance. I'm in for $100.
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    Interesting. So I assume that means he is not practicing?

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    Wow.

    So he basically operated like EVERY OD/MD does in the US, but got busted for it? We wouldn't be able to build the prisons fast enough if every doc here were held to legal account for mis-"prescribing" tints like FL-41. I don't claim to know anything of the intricacies of UK dispensing law in a case like Ian's here, but it certainly sounds serious.

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    So he's not coming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    Wow.

    So he basically operated like EVERY OD/MD does in the US, but got busted for it? We wouldn't be able to build the prisons fast enough if every doc here were held to legal account for mis-"prescribing" tints like FL-41. I don't claim to know anything of the intricacies of UK dispensing law in a case like Ian's here, but it certainly sounds serious.
    A charlatan in Jolly old England is the same as a charlatan in the US and they have a tendency get defrocked.
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    I admit, this one caught me a bit by surprise. It seems the major issue was poor records and charting, coupled with no documentation of consult/referrals with other medical professionals. Looks like page 23 of the document above is where it really begins to get into the meat and potatoes of the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclodrop View Post

    This is blasphemy! ...or words to that effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    It said he had shown "disregard for his professional colleagues" and had an "inflated and unwarranted confidence in his own professional abilities".

    -This is everyone. Everyone who has ever tried to cover their own butts, or explained that that is all someone else was doing. When an OD sends a patient back and tells them I made the glasses wrong- but has also adjust the axis 10 degrees on a -2.00 cyl, I have to earn their trust back.

    He said he would continue his work as a visual processing consultant - which he can do despite being struck off.

    -Thank goodness for this ^

    She said: "I don't understand why you would think a pair of glasses could cure a condition which is genetically based or based around a disease process which has damaged parts of the brain.

    -I do agree that claiming to 'cure' something is a bad choice of wording. Maybe 'treatment' instead. But that is how good people get sued. S
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    There is evidence to support his claim.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3316948/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajonesgirl View Post
    There is evidence to support his claim.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3316948/
    Looks like this was published after the dates in question in this case. In addition, this was one study, not generally accepted medical practice. That seems to be the other big beef the inquisitors took with Ian's methods. To say nothing of what sounds to be absolutely atrocious charting, records, and non-existent communication with other medical professionals.

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    The question is right here, do you want to financially support a trip to North America lectures for an individual that has been ousted from his profession for his non understandable and unproven theories ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    The question is right here, do you want to financially support a trip to North America lectures for an individual that has been ousted from his profession for his non understandable and unproven theories ?
    Yes. Just because his methods are not the norm and not widely practiced does not mean he doesn't have knowledge that wouldn't be beneficial for others to learn about. In fact, I'm more interested because what he can share is not readily available elsewhere.

    Personally, I place more credence in results over scientific reports. That's probably not the norm (as witnessed in separate threads), but it is how I choose what to recommend for products and practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    Looks like this was published after the dates in question in this case. In addition, this was one study, not generally accepted medical practice. That seems to be the other big beef the inquisitors took with Ian's methods. To say nothing of what sounds to be absolutely atrocious charting, records, and non-existent communication with other medical professionals.
    If you look at the bottom of the article, there are references to other articles that support color overlays helping children with autism. Just because his record keeping was atrocious, doesn't mean that he was not seeing results from his color therapy. Just because something is not generally accepted by the medical society, doesn't mean that it doesn't work. According to the Irlen website, there are over 100 peer-reviewed studies supporting overlays and lenses to treat the perceptual processing difficulties associated with Irlen Syndrome.

    My nephew has frequent seizures. For years they've treated him with Valium. Now, when he has a seizure, they treat him by applying frankincense oil to his head and feet. It has stopped his seizures in less than two minutes, each and every time, consistently for over a year now, without the negative side effects of Valium. I doubt you find an MD that would recommend that as the initial treatment for seizures, but it works. That being said, I don't know that Ian has anything to teach that can't be learned from the Irlen program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajonesgirl View Post
    If you look at the bottom of the article, there are references to other articles that support color overlays helping children with autism. Just because his record keeping was atrocious, doesn't mean that he was not seeing results from his color therapy. Just because something is not generally accepted by the medical society, doesn't mean that it doesn't work. According to the Irlen website, there are over 100 peer-reviewed studies supporting overlays and lenses to treat the perceptual processing difficulties associated with Irlen Syndrome.

    My nephew has frequent seizures. For years they've treated him with Valium. Now, when he has a seizure, they treat him by applying frankincense oil to his head and feet. It has stopped his seizures in less than two minutes, each and every time, consistently for over a year now, without the negative side effects of Valium. I doubt you find an MD that would recommend that as the initial treatment for seizures, but it works. That being said, I don't know that Ian has anything to teach that can't be learned from the Irlen program.
    It matters not at all to me what I think of the studies. They aren't generally accepted medical practice. Period. That, coupled with his very poor records, seem to be what bit Ian in the end. If you have any further grievence, you are welcome to take it up with the sanctioning body of the above case I suppose. *shrug*

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    But we all need blue Blockers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajonesgirl View Post
    There is evidence to support his claim.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3316948/
    Color overlays have already been proven to work, even if nobody can medically explain how. This is genius at work and he deserves our support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post
    Personally, I place more credence in results over scientific reports.
    That's, um, what scientific reports are, though: published results.

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