My Essilor rep told me this today. She said Europe has Transitions in many colors(she had a blue pair) and lenses that fade back in 90 seconds. She said we don't have them here since Transition penetration is only about 20% and it much higher in Europe.
I think if we had cool colors(young people would like this) and fast fade back they would be more popular here!
Anyone else heard this? Anyone from Europe want to comment?
I've heard varying levels of these types of things over the years, but nothing recently. Interesting.
North America, followed by Europe, dominates the global market for photochromic lense
North America, followed by Europe, dominates the global market for photochromic lenses, due to high level of awareness among people and technological advancement in the region. Asia is expected to experience high growth rate in the next few years in global photochromic lenses market. Countries with large population base, such as China and India, are expected to have the fastest growing photochromic lenses markets in the Asia region. Some of the key driving forces for photochromic lenses market in emerging countries are growing awareness and increase in the disposable incomes.
source:
https://www.persistencemarketresearc...ses-market.asp
Splitz never did well here.
I had two pair in high school and wore them into college when my RX finally changed. I can see them doing VERY well now. I especially loved my yellow-into-brown pair, and the blue-into-G15 were a great afternoon/evening backup. Would probably own a pair again myself if I could get them.
I can see them selling well in Europe, where "cafe lenses" are a part of the art/coffeehouse scene and the scientific circles have more invested in optics. I've learned more about the study of color and light in optics from my EU friends and colleagues than anywhere else.
No they didn't. The 90 second fade back to clear sounds great though.Originally Posted by Uilleann
We used to sell Trans in teal, blue, purple and rose. I'm thinking that they were under Visio Ease, but I can't honestly remember the vendor. This was back around 2004. They didn't sell well so they disappeared after a year or so. I did like my teal pair.
As for the quick fade, Neochrome is now available and the Zeiss PhotoFusions fade quickly.
I was also told today that the following was accurate:
Glasses wearers with AR across the world:
USA 23%
Europe 70%
Canada 80%
Asia 90%
Erik Zuniga, ABOC.
Italian here (and European) Yes we do have different colors. Standard Grey Brown Green (Xtractive and Signature VII) and then Amber, Amethyst, Emerald and Sapphire (Signature only and branded like Style colors). The sapphire one is beautiful.
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Thanks for weighing in. Do they get clear noticeably faster? Do you sell many of the other colors?Italian here (and European
The Sapphire is the color the rep had, it was pretty. Though it's true I don't get people asking for blue tints.
No honestly, mainly because they all want them "working" while driving, they look at them and comments are pretty good but driving is more important than style so they all want the xtractive ones. I made a sapphire pair myself as they suits the frame. (attached photo) They are pretty fast but never timed it, will do on Tuesday as I'm home sick and it's raining.
We run across this as well here in the Mid-Atlantic area. Problem is, not only do they want the lenses to work in the car, they want them as clear as possible indoors, which is why we do not offer the Xtractive. We have had more complaints with the Xtractive than any other photochromic.
Our photochromic sales are very good, and we do exploit its HEV filtering properties as well. Our 2018 option will be to offer Chemistrie for these patients to overcome the driving issue.
Yeah sometimes we get complains too, but after purchasing the Transitions kit, they can see the difference between Signature and Xtractive and how long it takes them to get clear.
This spring/summer we had an extra 50% discount on each Transitions lens so we could sell them with an extra 20% off to the final customer without losing too much.
We usually sell them for 120€ per lens (1.5 with AR) if they are not the freeform version but the stock one. But we apply a 10% discount to everybody or more if recurring customer.
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I have a couple pairs of extra active because I got them for free and find I do like it. They do have a slight inside tint but it's not that noticeable if the frame isn't a light color or rimless. I'm quite fair and it isn't bad. It gets hot here in Texas and they work better in the summer. I also find they really do darken enough in a car to be useful.
My main issue with them is the fade back time in the winter. I actually made a photo album on my phone that shows fade back time with the extra active and regular Transitions in the winter at both 5 and 10 minutes to show people interested in them. I also always carry a pair to work to show people the inside color. I also took a picture of me in the car to show how dark they get. Of course I always explain it depends on the how much light is reaching the lens and how dark window tinting is. I probably sell 20% extra active and I even sell it to women.
I got the kit for free I think and it includes all the signature and xtractive ones. I had to pay 300€ for the xtractive flash to mirror kit, I think can't remember which one I paid. Do you have Xtractive Flash To Mirror in the US?
I've never heard of it and am not even sure what it is!
Ok- I looked on Utube- wow- looks really cool. It's not avaible here unless our reps been holding out. How do they look inside?
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I'm wondering if this is old information. I know I see way more than 23% of people just out and about with AR. I will notice if someone doesn't have it because it's unusual.
Our AR% is around 43%. We do a lot of Medicaid, Medicare and Pediatric work (no AR benefits), which brings the % down. i think 23% is a little low.
Information is from Zeiss. She asked me to guess and I guessed 43% and she said 23%. I figured it would be more too.
Erik Zuniga, ABOC.
Like normal xtractive where grigio means grey and marrone means brown
I believe our biggest obstacle with AR here in the States is with insurance. Many do not cover AR, though it is a necessary add on for clarity of vision, especially in low light situations. If it isn't covered, many patients will not pay out of pocket.
In italy for example private or companies insurances just give a budget and then you can do whatever you want, you pay and then they reimburse you. I have a client who spends 200€ in contact lenses in a single purchase and then he gets the 200€ back. (And also someone who asks to sell them sunglasses and mark them as glasses to get money back)
Also glasses (and contacts) are considered medical expenses and we have to communicate to our healthcare system every purchase (thank god it's an automatic procedure whenever you print the receipt) so buyers can deduct the expense from their taxes.
I think I sell 90% AR lenses. Guess it works a bit different here in old Europe.
I almost never have someone come back and complain about xtra active, but we are very careful with all photochromic brands to carefully explain to the client and/or patient what they are buying before hand.
Looking carefully at the xtractive flash to mirror on YouTube, they do seem to have a little more reflection than regular AR lenses in their clearest state. Are they sold mostly as sunglasses that will work as clear glasses rather than clear glasses that work as sunglasses?
Not just insurance, poor quality AR sold or better ARs' durability incorrectly touted by opticians or optical sales people. Nothing is scratch proof!
Many patients that decline AR, on my end, is because their previous AR peeled, cracked, or came off and they don't want that problem again. Patient will still then complain about glare but while still refusing AR.
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