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    Gold AR? Are there any Gold Anti-reflections left?

    Special request from someone shooting a film. Was hoping to get gold anti-reflection. I know Zeiss used to make one, but my lab says it has been discontinued. Thanks in advance for the info.

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    I believe FEA does a gold reflex.

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    FEA's is more of a mirror than an A/R however. (Think blue "blocking" reflector type lenses) I ordered one myself a few months back (Thanks Bill!) but sadly found it to be all but unwearable due to the large amount of reflections. Oh well...live and learn. :)

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    Thanks for that! Definitely not what they are looking for.

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    Found Someone. Xtreme Optics

    OK, so I found a place called Xtreme Optics in Georgia that has a supplier that can do Gold. Joe the owner and Sandy the woman who answered the phone were both great at getting me the information. Was such a great experience that I wanted to give them a shout-out.

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    It's a shame that Zeiss Gold is no longer available. That was a great-looking AR, and looked very natural on film.
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    I'm curious - why the ultra-specific need for a particular reflex color?

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    We have both the Carat Gold AR and the Carat Cool Gold Mirror in our price list. I am a Luzerne rep.

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    Three rivers should be able to still do this

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    Us optical can as well.

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    Redhot Jumper Products are usually discontinued because ..........................

    Quote Originally Posted by AngeHamm View Post

    It's a shame that Zeiss Gold is no longer available. That was a great-looking AR, and looked very natural on film.

    Products are usually discontinued because the sales volume does not justify the cost of making and promoting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    I'm curious - why the ultra-specific need for a particular reflex color?
    I'm guessing because the gold AR looks more like a pale "natural" color on screen than most ARs' vivid greens.
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    Quantum has a near colorless AR they call the Natural. It is only good with thermal cured hard coats, but a Quantum lab should be able to process these. I have a few test samples from ours that are spun coat and they do look good. Can't wait to get my hands on a dip coating system so that I can process them.

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    Interstate Optical has ARXHP Natural that has the gold reflex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeHamm View Post
    I'm guessing because the gold AR looks more like a pale "natural" color on screen than most ARs' vivid greens.
    Huh. I'd say the golds are the most 'un-natural' look out there. I can't say I've really seen any "vivid" green AR on screen myself, but maybe I'm just not watching the right movies/shows. The majority I remember seeing appear to be something like a Crizal with a very pale green - perhaps with a touch of yellow-green to my eye. Sometimes a blue like the old Zeiss' blues.

    Most movies today however, seem to get around the issue by simply removing the lenses entirely. Harry Potter, I'm looking at you!

    *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    FEA's is more of a mirror than an A/R however. (Think blue "blocking" reflector type lenses) I ordered one myself a few months back (Thanks Bill!) but sadly found it to be all but unwearable due to the large amount of reflections. Oh well...live and learn. :)
    You will change your opinion when you add a back side AR :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LENNY View Post
    You will change your opinion when you add a back side AR :)
    All of my suns have back AR - but none are gold. Why would I want more reflection on the backside? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    All of my suns have back AR - but none are gold. Why would I want more reflection on the backside? :)
    I was referring to having Gold mirror on front and back side AR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LENNY View Post
    I was referring to having Gold mirror on front and back side AR!
    Hehe - Gotcha. My Maui's have all been HCL with the gold bi-gradient since the 90's. Agree on that point! :)

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    Surely achromatic is the best for filming

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    is there a table, or list of reflex colors for different A/R's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    Huh. I'd say the golds are the most 'un-natural' look out there. I can't say I've really seen any "vivid" green AR on screen myself, but maybe I'm just not watching the right movies/shows. The majority I remember seeing appear to be something like a Crizal with a very pale green - perhaps with a touch of yellow-green to my eye. Sometimes a blue like the old Zeiss' blues.

    Most movies today however, seem to get around the issue by simply removing the lenses entirely. Harry Potter, I'm looking at you!

    *shrug*
    I'm going to play my "I'm a professional actor and screen acting teacher" card here. Trust me, the gold looks more neutral than a bright green or blue residual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeHamm View Post
    I'm going to play my "I'm a professional actor and screen acting teacher" card here. Trust me, the gold looks more neutral than a bright green or blue residual.
    Fair play. Though, again, I've literally *never* seen a *bright* green or blue reflex on an AR lens. Ever. I've seen mirrors like that sure, and any number of the new crop of blue blocker lens fad products. But not normal AR lenses. Perhaps the camera greatly exaggerates the effect, coupled with the use of tinted scene lighting of a similar color cast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    Perhaps the camera greatly exaggerates the effect, coupled with the use of tinted scene lighting of a similar color cast?
    That is exactly it. These are environments with not just multiple light sources, but large ones. As in, rectangular panels of lights four by three feet in size. Granted, my backgrounds in acting and optics make me notice the reflections in actors' glasses quite a bit more than most people.

    Stage lighting is even worse. I just pop the lenses out entirely for theatre.
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    Called Three Rivers. They were very NOT helpful. :( Left them years ago, good reminder that I made a good decision.

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