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    Help for a Deutan

    I have a patient that is a moderate/severe Deutan. He is on a limited budget, and on a expanded medicaid plan. He has expressed an interest in the EnChroma lenses, which I know have mixed reviews. Not to mention, they are not able send out samples. get accounts set up, etc in a timely fashion.

    I was unsure if there are therapeutic tints we could try, or other options out there that would be worth trying.

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    So it's been a year and I'm wondering if this post got overlooked. I feel like there might be a handful of OBers that might have some insight here.

    My fingers are cramped because I've kept them crossed for so long hoping to get EnChroma in my store... In the meantime I'd be interested to hear what has been found helpful in the past as tints for different color deficiencies. So far I have used tints to enhance certain colors but have not figured out how to use the tints as filters to help separate overlapping colors- like red/green blindness, like the EnChroma filter does.

    Any input is appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post

    So far I have used tints to enhance certain colors but have not figured out how to use the tints as filters to help separate overlapping colors- like red/green blindness, like the EnChroma filter does.

    Any input is appreciated


    There is tons of information on tinting at my website at http://optochemicals.com and an

    interesting professional photo filter manufacturer: https://progreyusa.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    There is tons of information on tinting at my website at http://optochemicals.com and an

    interesting professional photo filter manufacturer: https://progreyusa.com

    Thank you for replying Chris; I did look through your website and found some handy graphs and troubleshooting info, but didn't see anything on tinting with purpose. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything? Progrey looks like a dream for an aspiring photographer!
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    I recently placed an order with BPI, Inc. for some pattern blanks, etc. and was told about a page that might be of use.

    "Applications for Colored Lenses"

    http://www.colorlenses.com

    Hope this helps,

    Tyler

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEdFitz View Post
    I recently placed an order with BPI, Inc. for some pattern blanks, etc. and was told about a page that might be of use.

    "Applications for Colored Lenses"

    http://www.colorlenses.com

    Hope this helps,

    Tyler

    Oh goodness! This looks super helpful. Thank you very much. It mentions Deep Red for color blindness so I will have to test that. I'm assuming it will work better for different deficiencies.
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    Has the pt been properly tested by a qualified eye care professional to determine the level of his deficiency, and the best filters, wavelengths and densities that will help his specific case? Without any of that information, you're throwing some large darts (money and effort) at a very tiny bullseye.

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    I have patients that have come and gone with no previous visits to specialists (mostly patients on a tight budget that I'm trying to give really good deals) but my real guinea pig is my significant other. He will not see a specialist either but only because he doesn't see his color deficiency as an issue to be dealt with. I'm hoping to find something that can 'wow' him that might be something that can also benefit my past and future patients.
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    Ian is your man...

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    You are right. I double checked the Go-Fund-Me thread and saw no new activity so I will resort to PM and e-mailing. Thanks for the reminder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post
    I have patients that have come and gone with no previous visits to specialists (mostly patients on a tight budget that I'm trying to give really good deals) but my real guinea pig is my significant other. He will not see a specialist either but only because he doesn't see his color deficiency as an issue to be dealt with. I'm hoping to find something that can 'wow' him that might be something that can also benefit my past and future patients.
    Its impossible to improve on a asymptomatic patient. It's even harder to make someone happy who is comfortable with his perceived deficiency. Leave the poor guy alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbaker View Post
    Its impossible to improve on a asymptomatic patient. It's even harder to make someone happy who is comfortable with his perceived deficiency. Leave the poor guy alone.
    Have you seen the videos with people's reactions to color enhancing lenses? Those people are ecstatic. That is what I want for the people I care about. Someday I'll buy him EnChroma glasses, but until then, I just want to let him understand how beautiful things can be. I'll stop now so I don't get all mushy!
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    You could put the patient in a pair of Smith's magic "ChromaPop™" lenses. They claim to filter the same wavelengths that EnChroma does. See if the patient has a positive reaction in all lighting conditions where they struggle currently. That's a quick and easy way to see if there's any benefit at all to much more expensive lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbaker View Post
    Its impossible to improve on a asymptomatic patient. It's even harder to make someone happy who is comfortable with his perceived deficiency. Leave the poor guy alone.
    But, then again: http://www.telegram.com/news/2017032...world-of-color

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbaker View Post
    Just read it, and it makes sense...............................

    To that end, the glasses were originally designed to target helping medics, nurses and doctors who couldn't see veins, cyanosis and "the kinds of things in rashes that everyone takes for granted, that color blind folks are missing."

    The scientists realized they could help color-blind people, by blocking narrow bands of wavelengths that are counter signals, or what Mr. Changizi called "bad signals" for seeing the oxygenation signals.

    "By blocking certain bands that are counter signals, you can actually enhance the signal that red-green vision is for, and we came up with a couple of different technologies that do that, and so it occurred to us we could help color blind people," he said.

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    This is awesome- and way more affordable. Good find rbaker!

    This must be a large school to have so many color-blind students, but how amazing to have an option to rent the glasses? After that, you'd think none of these kids would go without.

    The foliage is definitely a strong pull for me to get them. New England is kind of known for people coming to ogle the dying leaves and last year I couldn't get it out of my head that we weren't seeing the same thing (even though no one REALLY is).

    Other than appearances- industrial and fushia- I think these sound like they are getting even better reviews than EnChroma. The EnChroma's have style, but who cares as long as the results are there? For the reasons they were developed, the Vino glasses fit, and how cool to be able to expand the people impacted by the science.

    Chris- the parts where they talk about cancelling out bad signals and isolating wavelengths is what I was hoping to get a better understanding of. I'm not there yet, but I'm hoping to contact Ian for some insight. For the price, I was thinking I'd order a pair, though I found you can order uncuts I'm still interested to see if I can replicate results with tints here. I don't see anywhere that says they are polarized...
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    Great article rbaker. Very interesting!

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    Sorry, evidently late to my own party :)

    For this patient I ended using the Monochrome 600 tint from BPI. Dark red lens, but patient was thrilled. He was able to pass the color plates when wearing, stopped and stared at the grass.. was a real touching moment for a portion of the price of Enchroma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post


    Chris- the parts where they talk about cancelling out bad signals and isolating wavelengths is what I was hoping to get a better understanding of. I'm not there yet, but I'm hoping to contact Ian for some insight. For the price, I was thinking I'd order a pair, though I found you can order uncuts I'm still interested to see if I can replicate results with tints here. I don't see anywhere that says they are polarized...

    My way of improving sight in certain conditions is to eliminateblue light rays 100%. As blue light produces a fuzzy vision everything becomes crystal clear when looking through them.

    These lenses have to be properly tinted and do absorb visible blue to 100% .

    Tinted layer on surfaces of the lens blocks from 280 nm to 535 nm


    See all of it : =============>
    http://optochemicals.com/products/info_blueblockerF.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubilee View Post
    Sorry, evidently late to my own party :)

    For this patient I ended using the Monochrome 600 tint from BPI. Dark red lens, but patient was thrilled. He was able to pass the color plates when wearing, stopped and stared at the grass.. was a real touching moment for a portion of the price of Enchroma.

    This is great to know. Thank you for the update! I will be sure to post my findings in using the Vino lenses vs. BPI Monochrome Red 600. Both on order! Maybe it will make sense to use Vino indoor and BPI as a sun? Only trials will tell!
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    Update: My 'specimen' has been introduced to the Vino lenses and the results are in. He can pass more of the tests but cannot pass with 100% accuracy. He finds that thought the color seemed too prominent in the beginning, his eyes adapt quickly and then is only left with a more vibrant or true red than he is used to without everything else being washed in red. Aside from that, the sky looks much more blue as well.

    I had forgotten about the BPI tint, so I ordered that today, but am excited to do my first Vino Rx!

    Fortunately for me- my test subject has FOUR brothers- all with different color/ shade deficiencies. Three of them got to try the plano lenses and one is requesting an Rx pair. It was very interesting to see and hear how each reacted to the glasses. One saw almost no change, so it is evident that the variation in their different vision requires variation in the tint for similar results.
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    Quince please keep us up on your success with this tint.

    Can it be purchased to use as a tint in house? Can you get RX lenses from them?

    Never mind I see they have 6 base blanks for sale. Very cool. I like their professional style much more than Enchroma's less than truthful viral marketing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    Quince please keep us up on your success with this tint.

    Can it be purchased to use as a tint in house? Can you get RX lenses from them?

    Never mind I see they have 6 base blanks for sale. Very cool. I like their professional style much more than Enchroma's less than truthful viral marketing...

    And it sure beats their price! Not to mention the fact that EnChroma stilllll hasn't responded after I have attempted to create ties with them for over a year.

    I think the BPI tint will be a little less flashy than the Vino lenses. I'll try and remember to take some comparison photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quince View Post
    And it sure beats their price! Not to mention the fact that EnChroma stilllll hasn't responded after I have attempted to create ties with them for over a year.
    I'm pretty sure I was one of the first few to contact them. At the time the owner of the office I'm at was a colorblind Optometrist with 40 years in the town practicing. They wanted me to buy a "kit" for $100 bucks. I said to them, "You send me a lens, my doc says he loves it - I will buy $10,000 of your product." That caused the woman on the phone to stumble over her words and start talking about how it really doesn't work like that and results can't be predicted and most people don't really see a change and yadda yadda yadda. I told them I could buy the same Leader Hilco frames and edge them myself if they would provide uncuts, she said she would get back to me... and then they came out with that that shameful viral marketing ad aimed to guilting parents into buying them for their kids.

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