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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    ..............interesting discussion

    In the optical trade the merging main players have also played politics for a long time, by supporting professional associations as well as governments on many levels.

    We should be seeing major changes in all of our eyecare professions over the next few years.
    Chris, the professional associations are just as much to blame for this debacle by allowing it to happen for so many years and accepting bribe sponsorship money at the same time.

    Whether the associations knew it or not at the time, the sponsorship funds were more of a pay off to turn a blind eye and pave the road for the future to where we are today.

    Now the associations bit the hand that fed them, and tried to take them to court, which is even more ludicrous. The lawyers on both sides have to be laughing their asses off on this one - do I want my new yacht in white or beige?

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    Computers may replace manual objective and subjective refraction... in fact they already have. But deciding what to prescribe so that the patient will be happy with their Rx, and not come back complaining, has not yet been mastered by the AI people. In fact, it has not yet been mastered by many people holding licenses that allow them to refract.

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    Redhot Jumper We all have time to put on our seatbelts before the rocking starts...................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    Whether the associations knew it or not at the time, the sponsorship funds were more of a pay off to turn a blind eye and pave the road for the future to where we are today.

    ..........................we are now 2 months before the fully accepted merger by the world wide authorities.

    We will be seeing a modernized version and situation, that we have already experienced in Canada for many years, by the near domination of the optical retail business by Imperial Optical.

    However most of today's professionals have only a very faint idea whatever happened then. Only this time it will be more complex and total as the preparation period has been very carefully planned into details in all sectors from manufacturing to retail over the last 15 years, or more.

    We all have time to put on our seatbelts before the rocking starts.
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    I believe, that instead of discussing WHAT is coming in the near future, we should discuss how we best should EVOLVE to meet it. I've recently moved to a kiosk style optical in a mall, that pushes volume and affordable frames, w/ no optometrist at all. It's been very lucrative, while still giving people a personal experience. Changes are coming, and the winners are the ones that find out how to make it work for them. Unlike the big companies, we cant choose what the game is, but we can certainly have the best strategies for the new playing field.
    -Poly is the best substrate for coatings.
    -Poly is extremely scratch resistant.
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    Like poly, you can trust me about 40% of the time.

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    Redhot Jumper the winners are the ones that find out how to make it work for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by McAnerin View Post

    Changes are coming, and the winners are the ones that find out how to make it work for them. Unlike the big companies, we cant choose what the game is, but we can certainly have the best strategies for the new playing field.
    nice post on a different idea...........and it seems to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post
    Chris, the professional associations are just as much to blame for this debacle by allowing it to happen for so many years and accepting bribe sponsorship money at the same time.

    Whether the associations knew it or not at the time, the sponsorship funds were more of a pay off to turn a blind eye and pave the road for the future to where we are today.

    Now the associations bit the hand that fed them, and tried to take them to court, which is even more ludicrous. The lawyers on both sides have to be laughing their asses off on this one - do I want my new yacht in white or beige?
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjpod View Post
    Computers may replace manual objective and subjective refraction... in fact they already have. But deciding what to prescribe so that the patient will be happy with their Rx, and not come back complaining, has not yet been mastered by the AI people. In fact, it has not yet been mastered by many people holding licenses that allow them to refract.
    FJP, you are of course correct.

    I think the best way to conceptualize it, however, is that you aren't going to get a machine to practice optometry.

    The difference in concept being, what "optometry" is.

    I know you're an old guy, and so am I. I've done this forever. The concept that was promulgated on the front end of the thread "at the core, optometry is just refracting" is way, way, way off the mark. We "solve eye problems". All damn day long.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    I'm irritated when those outside the profession think of optometry that way, but they're ignoramuses. But for "optio" to say that makes me cry. Maybe she's a newbie?
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    You're right except for one thing.... I'm not old...lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    FJP, you are of course correct.

    I think the best way to conceptualize it, however, is that you aren't going to get a machine to practice optometry.

    The difference in concept being, what "optometry" is.

    I know you're and old guy, and so am I. I've done this forever. The concept that was promulgated on the front end of the thread "at the core, optometry is just refracting" is way, way, way off the mark. We "solve eye problems". All damn day long.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    I'm irritated when those outside the profession think of optometry that way, but they're ignoramuses. But for "optio" to say that makes me cry. Maybe she's a newbie?

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    Blue Jumper So lets put on our seatbelts and be ready for some major changes.....................

    Quote Originally Posted by fjpod View Post

    Computers may replace manual objective and subjective refraction... in fact they already have. But deciding what to prescribe so that the patient will be happy with their Rx, and not come back complaining, has not yet been mastered by the AI people. In fact, it has not yet been mastered by many people holding licenses that allow them to refract.

    I would just like to add that in many or all professions there are superb specialists and also some that are not and minimal.

    It is a fact that there are many brains, even being funded by major corporations that are working on simple and automatised solutions to measure the optical error of the human eye and neutralize it with a perfectly valid prescription.

    By the year 2035 all of you will be used to purchase glasses online and have them adjusted and serviced by an optical service outlet of the online seller, or a dispensing optician that has survived the change, and that adjustment or service will be against a fee.

    The first such change will most probably be introduced starting in the year 2018, when the LensCrafter stores will very probably, also become service centers for Essilux online owned opticals, of which there are now according to my own calculations at:
    http://optochemicals.com/web_listing.htm
    near the bottom of the page.
    Some twenty of them on a worldwide basis are Essilux owned.

    These corporation opened online opticals are for sure not turning out crappy quality as being owned by the opticals
    largest corporation, and lens and frame manufacturer and suppliers.

    So lets put on our seatbelts and be ready for some major changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    I would just like to add that in many or all professions there are superb specialists and also some that are not and minimal.

    It is a fact that there are many brains, even being funded by major corporations that are working on simple and automatised solutions to measure the optical error of the human eye and neutralize it with a perfectly valid prescription.

    By the year 2035 all of you will be used to purchase glasses online and have them adjusted and serviced by an optical service outlet of the online seller, or a dispensing optician that has survived the change, and that adjustment or service will be against a fee.

    The first such change will most probably be introduced starting in the year 2018, when the LensCrafter stores will very probably, also become service centers for Essilux online owned opticals, of which there are now according to my own calculations at:
    http://optochemicals.com/web_listing.htm
    near the bottom of the page.
    Some twenty of them on a worldwide basis are Essilux owned.

    These corporation opened online opticals are for sure not turning out crappy quality as being owned by the opticals
    largest corporation, and lens and frame manufacturer and suppliers.

    So lets put on our seatbelts and be ready for some major changes.
    Yes and I predict that major changes will come in the optical chemical market too.
    Sorry Chris but you will be out of business soon at Opto Chemicals.

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    Recent studies show, for Canadians, there still is an overwhelming percentage that prefer in person shopping. Online hasn't penetrated as much as US. Perhaps our cold climate means going to the mall is better than staying home. For sure online shopping is there and one day may be the only avenue for sales. But so far people still like to put something on in person and then buy. Exceptional service will still retain customers.

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    Redhot Jumper I predict that major changes will come in the optical chemical market too. ..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post

    Yes and I predict that major changes will come in the optical chemical market too.

    Sorry Chris but you will be out of business soon at Opto Chemicals.

    Thank you Golfnorth.......................... for your prediction.

    However your prediction is just about 9 month late, I am out of business since August 31, 2017 when my lease ended, which I made after I sold my 15,000sq foot building a few years back.

    In the meantime I have sold the OptoChemicals company to McCray, just about next door to you.
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    Redhot Jumper Exceptional service will still retain customers................................

    Quote Originally Posted by optical maven View Post

    But so far people still like to put something on in person and then buy. Exceptional service will still retain customers.
    ........good point.

    However the generation of the older non web savvy people
    is currently dying off. and most of them will be gone in a couple of years.

    An old tool shed in Florida house which I converted into a modern office that had a floor model air conditioner which broke down after 5 years of use. some 5 years ago.

    I went back to Home Depot were I bought it originally. They did have non in stock and the temperature was hot.

    So I went on AMAZON on the internet. and they had one floor model with also a heater included for 300.00 less that the one in the store, and I ordered it.

    Ordering was Wednesday afternoon at 3pm and Thursday morning at 11 am a UPS truck stopped and rolled the 2 boxes right to my office door.

    The saving was the $ 300.00 and another $ 30.00 to rent a Van at Home Depot if they would have had the air conditioner.
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    Somewhat tangentially related to this thread.

    Amazon's US sales to match Walmart's within three years, JP Morgan predicts
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/amaz...-predicts.html

    That is quite the forecast.

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    Blue Jumper will they compete with the present players or our established B&M market ?

    Quote Originally Posted by optio View Post

    Somewhat tangentially related to this thread.

    Amazon's US sales to match Walmart's within three years, JP Morgan predicts

    That is quite the forecast.

    .......................yes that is quite a forecast and will probably happen.

    However it does not tell us who is losing that amount of sales increase ?

    If they start to sell eyeglasses will they compete with the present players or our established B&M market ?
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    Redhot Jumper I just had another experience with Amazon........................

    I just had another experience with Amazon. I ordered last Thursday an electronic collar dog training system.

    They emailed that it would be delivered on Sunday.

    At 1pm a US Post Office Van stopped by the house and delivered the small box. (I am still in Florida)

    I am wondering how Amazon can get the US Post office to work and deliver on a Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    I just had another experience with Amazon. I ordered last Thursday an electronic collar dog training system.

    They emailed that it would be delivered on Sunday.

    At 1pm a US Post Office Van stopped by the house and delivered the small box. (I am still in Florida)

    I am wondering how Amazon can get the US Post office to work and deliver on a Sunday.
    So are we taxpayers wondering about the USPS. The U.S. Postal Service lost $2.7 billion in fiscal 2017 while delivering packages at greatly reduced rates. I am not to thrilled with Cliff Flaven picking my pocket so you can get your package on Sunday.

    Stop wasting tax payers money. Privatize the US Mail. And, while you are at it, privatize the Veterans Administration.

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    Blue Jumper Only 13 days left .....................................

    There are now only 13 days left before the deadline of June 1, 2018, for the worlds biggest event to happen any day in the optical eyeglass industry of wholesale as well as retail.

    As Canada is an easier test market than the USA, and directly run by the French head office, the changes will very probably be felt faster, than across the border in the USA.

    They will start advertising their by internet sold glasses, to be serviced by the LensCrafter and the Essilor owned "New Look" chain stores. That will provide them with some over 700 stores to start with, and become internet products sold service stations, besides their regular activities.

    Opticians could be competitive by starting a similar system.
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    Optometry and Opticianry will embrace telemedicine and it will be an important part of their practices. The industry will turn into thumprint technology in which refractions and lenses will be based on computer generated maps that are unique to each practice. Refractions that only work with in-house printed lenses and frames will be the norm. Eyeglasses will still be around as these new maps will allow to compensate the minute changes that are related to aging. Surgery will be the done remotely by big centers for the masses but aging preventing will not stop changes in refraction. Contact lenses will still be fitted but they will be high tech lenses that connect social media, work and leisure that must be fined tune by opticians. Cell phones are a thing of the past. Your connectivity to the world will be paid to opticians instead of phone companies. Ophthalmology will eventually disappear as surgery will be done totally remotely and optometrists will be in charge of any disease. Life will be back to being Rose color for everyone in the optical field. Ah opticians still do not refract...they now have A.I. Refractors.

    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    There are now only 13 days left before the deadline of June 1, 2018, for the worlds biggest event to happen any day in the optical eyeglass industry of wholesale as well as retail.

    As Canada is an easier test market than the USA, and directly run by the French head office, the changes will very probably be felt faster, than across the border in the USA.

    They will start advertising their by internet sold glasses, to be serviced by the LensCrafter and the Essilor owned "New Look" chain stores. That will provide them with some over 700 stores to start with, and become internet products sold service stations, besides their regular activities.

    Opticians could be competitive by starting a similar system.
    Every time I read something like this, my stomach drops. Whatever happened to the laws preventing a monopoly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    There are now only 13 days left before the deadline of June 1, 2018, for the worlds biggest event to happen any day in the optical eyeglass industry of wholesale as well as retail.

    As Canada is an easier test market than the USA, and directly run by the French head office, the changes will very probably be felt faster, than across the border in the USA.

    They will start advertising their by internet sold glasses, to be serviced by the LensCrafter and the Essilor owned "New Look" chain stores. That will provide them with some over 700 stores to start with, and become internet products sold service stations, besides their regular activities.

    Opticians could be competitive by starting a similar system.
    Chris;

    I was not aware that Essilor owned New Look.
    Are you sure?

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    Chris;

    I was not aware that Essilor owned New Look.
    Are you sure?

    Regards,
    Golfnorth
    You are correct, New Look is it's own public stock company. Essilor and Shamir both currently supply lenses under contract, but no ownership stake.

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    Blue Jumper Mr. Amiel held executive positions within Nikon Essilor Co. Ltd.,....................

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post

    Chris;

    I was not aware that Essilor owned New Look.
    Are you sure?

    Regards,
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    and


    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight

    You are correct, New Look is it's own public stock company. Essilor and Shamir both currently supply lenses under contract, but no ownership stake.

    Make you own conclusions. Yes they are a public company, however the boss is a high ranking livelong Essilor career guy.
    Check out were they got the funds to make all these recent purchases of the other chains.

    Mr. Antoine Amiel is President, Director of the Company. He was Vice Chairman of the Board of the Company. He is an experienced international executive from the optical lens industry.

    Between 2009 and 2012, Mr. Amiel held executive positions within Nikon Essilor Co. Ltd., a Tokyo based joint venture between Nikon Corporation and Essilor International which manufactures and distributes Nikon ophthalmic lenses worldwide. From 2005 to 2012, he was Executive Officer, Vice President International Subsidiaries and CEO of Nikon Optical USA, Canada and United Kingdom. From 2002 to 2005, Mr. Amiel was Managing Director of Nikon Optical UK Ltd. From 1999 to 2002, he was Nikon Essilor’s Chief Financial Officer. Prior to his time with the joint venture he held several finance and marketing positions in Asia Pacific and North America


    Chairman Since 2015

    Amiel has a master in Corporation Finance from the University de Paris IX Dauphine.

    source:
    https://www.macroaxis.com/invest/man...-Antoine_Amiel
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    Blue Jumper So Figure it out yourself, who is the pulling the strings in this venture............

    So Figure it out yourself, who is the pulling the strings in this venture.

    Here is some more .....................................

    The company has accumulated 173.28 M in total debt with debt to equity ratio (D/E) of 123.2 indicating the company may have difficulties to generate enough cash to satisfy its financial obligations. New Look Vision Group has Current Ratio of 1.06 suggesting that it is in a questionable position to pay out its financial obligations in time and when they become due.

    source:
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    So Figure it out yourself, who is the pulling the strings in this venture.
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