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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
    You need a Grolman Device.
    I so clearly remember AO Grolman. You're sure telling us our age...

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    Does anyone know where one can buy a Zeiss Frame Reference Tool? Or any of the frame reference tools? I don't need the Zeiss camera/i. terminal, I just need the device that attaches to the frames. Thanks.

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    Old school rules, pupillometer and pen, I feel the more electronic measurments you use the patient will begin to just do it themselves, doing it the old way maintains accuracy and builds patients confidence.
    Roy W. Jackson, Sr. ABOC

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    Quote Originally Posted by optilady1 View Post
    I worked at the LC also and was the remake captain and the accufit trainer at my store. That think is a hot mess if people don't use it right, and let me tell you, it was very rarely used right. My biggest thing was it took all common sense away! I would be doing final inspections, and there would be A LOT of pd's the differ by 5 mm, (which happen but 5x/day?), segs that were 3-5mm below the middle of the frame. I would go back and check people's measurements and sure enough, the pt's would be tilted way back, looking way down or the sensor would be so far from the center of the frame it was ridiculous. All of these products work as well at the grunt using them.
    I have never heard the term "remake captain" until today. Thanks for that!

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    The best device is going to be one where you are trained properly. If your not properly trained then it doesn't matter which method you use. We have an electronic method here and one of our employees refuses to try and learn how to use it. She claims it's not accurate although I've shown her that I get what she can get. To everyone their own I guess.

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    The "gold standard" was, and still is, the PD rule and muscle light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbaker View Post
    The "gold standard" was, and still is, the PD rule and muscle light.
    Says who? And what standard are we using to judge it?

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