What is with these Patterns!!??

[icare]

Nobody makes consistently accurate patterns anymore. Has it always been this way, or a sign of the (patternless) times.

I love my pattern edger. I hate making patterns.

They are all going down the tubes. First I noticed Viva's taking a dive, so..... it's just Viva, right? WRONG.

Now I'm getting junk patterns from Safilo, and Marchon. They mostly seem to be the whitish ones, but sometimes the yellowy are lousy, too.

Rodenstock blue patterns tend to be very good. I can't remember the last time I modified a Rodenstocker.

[Chris Ryser]

icare said:
Nobody makes consistently accurate patterns anymore. Has it always been this way, or a sign of the (patternless) times.

I love my pattern edger. I hate making patterns.

They are all going down the tubes. First I noticed Viva's taking a dive, so..... it's just Viva, right? WRONG.

Now I'm getting junk patterns from Safilo, and Marchon. They mostly seem to be the whitish ones, but sometimes the yellowy are lousy, too.

Rodenstock blue patterns tend to be very good. I can't remember the last time I modified a Rodenstocker.

Good subject. You should e-mail this notice to any editor of optical magazines, maybe the would print it.

[Refractingoptician.com]

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[Johns]

Gary,

If you buy a patternless, you'll have to find another hobby besides pattern making. Maybe golf...or knitting.

Toss the pattern edger and enjoy life a little.

- Johns

(I tossed mine 3 years ago and never looked back.)

[chip anderson]

Could the answer be " Made In China" or maybe "Made in Mexico" ?

[Homer]

Gary is right; no one love a pattern edger! It like being in love with the girl next door when you were in 6th grade. You know each other, have spent a lot of time together and you know how to get the other to do what you want. That ain't love it is familiarity.

Tell your edger good-night some weeked and slip off to an optical conference and fondle one of the new babies! They will turn you on like nothing you have seen before. In fact your old edger doesn't even know that is is possiable to turn and optician on. And if you are a woman, sqeeze those bicepts, look directly into its face, give it a challange and you will find it responding to all of your input. These new patternless babies are made to love and be loved.

BTY, don't settle for a make-believe patternless add-on to your present edger, she ain't worth the effort or the money and she will never preform like those at the show.

;) Homer ;)

[Chris Ryser]

If any of you patternless guys still remember how to do a perfect bevel BY HAND ?????????????????????????????

:hammer:

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[Chris Ryser]

Gary said:
Well yes, and sometimes it is even necessary , but why do it if there is a better way ?

It's like my old car , yes I can adjust the points and gap the plugs every 5000 miles to keep it going , but new cars run better and longer with less maintainence.

Do today's mechanics remove and install nuts with hand tools or pneumatic tools ?

Do you tint your high indexes in the old stinkin dye pot in 3-4 hours ........ or do you tint them the new way in 3 minutes......????


Chris Ryser

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[Homer]

Yes, I'm with Gary, I not only know how to bevel but everyone I train learns hand beveling first. When the alians or the Commies take over, the last peice of equipment they will take out of my lab is the hand edger. I have trained many people to edge lenses with ONLY a hand edger.

Secondly, The only reason I would leave high-index lense in the Dye Pot for 3 or 4 hours is to obatin a dark sun-tint, however I choose to use polorized lenses in most cases and the few other tints I do, will not justify a new tinting system.

[Chris Ryser]

Homer said:
Yes, I'm with Gary, I not only know how to bevel but everyone I train learns hand beveling first. When the alians or the Commies take over, the last peice of equipment they will take out of my lab is the hand edger. I have trained many people to edge lenses with ONLY a hand edger.

Good..........at least one of 1800 Optiboarders still knows that one. Having done a few -15.00s and 18.00s on a ceramic stone, which took all day to do during my 1st year of apprentiship as optician. The automatic Weco part was sitting on top of the stone and made only flat bevels and i was not allowed to use it.Chip the lenses with the chipping pliers, then make a flat bevel and so on.

Homer said:
Secondly, The only reason I would leave high-index lenses in the Dye Pot for 3 or 4 hours is to obatin a dark sun-tint, however I choose to use polorized lenses in most cases and the few other tints I do, will not justify a new tinting system.

For the secoind part I strongly disagree:

High Index, Polarized, no matter whatever it is, the new method is up to 100 times faster, and the investment is ......zip....000.000..
compared what you get out of it.

75 bucks at Walmart or Zellers is your tinting unit, and a bottle of dye will last you 6 mont to a year. Please dont talk about cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dark high index in minutes, and anything else in seconds.

I like the story about the farmer who was plowing his field with a donkey and a hand plow and it took him a week day in day out to do it. When he was offered a tractor to do it he said, " I am so used to do it, maybe I should put a2 second donkey on the plow and it will work as fast !!!!!!!!

You get 1 point out of two.

Homer you'r an old timer like me. But I like, and I am always for new technology, at least I am willing to try and find out.

Chris Ryser

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[Homer]

Chris Wrote: "You get 1 point out of two.

Homer you'r an old timer like me. But I like, and I am always for new technology, at least I am willing to try and find out."


So get your patternless edger, chris, and I listen about what I am to buy at Wally World ...... then we'll be even.



:)

[chip anderson]

Either of you gentlemen old enough to have rocked in a cylinder?

[Steve Machol]

chip anderson said:
Either of you gentlemen old enough to have rocked in a cylinder?

Not only that. I've rocked in a saddleback! :p

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[Chris Ryser]

Homer said:
Chris Wrote: "You get 1 point out of two.

Homer you'r an old timer like me. But I like, and I am always for new technology, at least I am willing to try and find out."


So get your patternless edger, chris, and I listen about what I am to buy at Wally World ...... then we'll be even.
:)

Homer,
I have a fully set up small optical lab, which I am only using for research on lens surface treatments. I actually still have the first automatic ESSILOR bevel edger which I kept in perfect condition since 1971. If needed I would have a patternless tomorrow!

But that does not mean you should Not go to Wally World .......... because to try out a new technique that gets you out of the middle ages in the way of tinting.



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[Homer]

I'm old enough to do that as well as blocking edged lenses with a torch and a bar of pitch for resurfacing. I have also knocked the buttons off of kryptok lenses by hand before we fined in a hand-pan and polished the front surfaces.

[Homer]

I understand your situation on edging.

Now where can I find info on you tinting method?

[Chris Ryser]

Homer said:
I understand your situation on edging.

Now where can I find info on you tinting method?

I will e-mail you the info through Optiboard mail

Chris

[rsandr]

Can someone enlighten me to this easier method of tinting?

Also on the subject of pattern edging while i love my patternless edger for the high speed volume stuff i often use my pattern edger for the critical jobs to avoid any surprises. With the pattern you always know what you're going to get.
Also can be easier for frames which are frequently repeated.
Rick

[Texas Ranger]

I'm on my third patternless edger, the new 6E even does the safety bevel and grooving, amazing! my sons have worked for me for 8 years and wouldn't know what to do with a patterned edger. it dry cuts, so there's no waste water mess, doesn't do glass, so we send out our 1 glass job per month. big investment, but when we have several lens only edge come in during noon-time, no sweat.

[Chris Ryser]

rsandr said:
Can someone enlighten me to this easier method of tinting?
Rick

Rick,

Send me an e-mail, give me your e-mail address and I will send you the details.

Chris Ryser.