What's that stuff around light that moves?

[Just Some Kid]

Every night the street lights come through my window. If you look closely without squinting, you can see "stuff" move around the light source.

From hooking up led's (lights), I know that it's impossible to get a constant voltage. I'm not talking the + to - fluctuation you get with AC either.

What's behind this voltage? Energy. It's energy that's fluctuating.

So when you're looking at the light source, you're really looking at fluctuating levels of energy. They're just so small that you don't notice a difference.

We like to think that radiation travels via photon.

So that light source is radiating various levels of photons.

Einstein showed that energy & mass are interchangeable.

So if you have photons radiating from a light source with various energy levels, you really have photons radiating from a light source with various mass levels.

I think this is why you see "stuff" move around light.

The presence of mass tells space-time how to curve.

There is no "stuff." What you're really seeing around the light source is how various photons of various masses are warping space differently. This is why it moves so strangely.


If there is a better theory, please tell because this is bothering me.

Thanks,

Ty

(Mods, please let me get an answer before you ban my IP address)

[MikeAurelius]

What's that stuff around light that moves?

Bugs. Dust.

Photons are too small to see, therefore, you must be seeing something else.

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[Uncle Fester]

Bugs. Dust.

Photons are too small to see, therefore, you must be seeing something else.

It's more pronounced after 4:20.

[CCGREEN]

Crack.

And this my friends is why I have to show my ID to get my allergy meds.

[MikeAurelius]

It's more pronounced after 4:20.

And after reading the latest installment of "Prison Planet".

[MasterCrafter]

It's magic dust

This is the same stuff that lets Santa and his Reindeer fly around the world. You give some to Santa, some to the Reindeers, a lil more to Santa, and a lil more to Santa

[Uncle Fester]

To the kid- Mike is right. It's dust, water vapor, bugs etc.

[Wes]

It's magic dust

This is the same stuff that lets Santa and his Reindeer fly around the world. You give some to Santa, some to the Reindeers, a lil more to Santa, and a lil more to Santa

Tink and Pete used to use it to fly too!

[Just Some Kid]

Thanks for the responses.

I'm most certain it is not bugs.

It looks to me that the light source radiates rings. Anyone else notice this?

...which is strange because if you squint, they become rays. But I guess they're not rays, they're waves. & I guess they're not waves, they're particles.

...which is also strange, because if light is made up of rays, waves, particles, then just how many rays, waves, particles, does it take to "fill" a room?

I'd rather think of light as a blanket. ...aether if you will.




You guys are really cutting off my imagination lol

[MikeAurelius]

You guys are really cutting off my imagination lol

There's a reason they call it dope.

[Uncle Fester]

I stand corrected from my now deleted post.

[Just Some Kid]

[QUOTE=MikeAurelius;462626]Bugs. Dust.

Photons are too small to see, therefore, you must be seeing something else.

If you squint at light, you will see rays. You see them individually traveling through space.

Don't squint. Don't focus your eyes on anything in particular. Just watch what's going on around the light source.

I see the rays at their smallest value. They no longer travel through space individually, they're packed so close together that they make up space.

If you look closely, the space appears to move. -It almost warps.


Just a thought! ...I assumed that light traveled in packets before I read about Einstein. -If you look at a light source long enough, your eye will start to tear. Squint & the light will form patterns. The light forms in lines in my eyes. They dance in packets together, & break off into smaller groups ...which dance into packets.

[Just Some Kid]

Space isn't too small to see.

What's the smallest amount of space you can see?


I'm still going to let my imagination run. We STILL do not know whether light is a particle or a wave. Depending upon how you look at it? I'd like to think the moon is there when I'm not looking. Go ahead, I'll close my eyes. Just point me in the right direction & I'll run into it.


**What exactly are the rays then? A figment of our imagination?

[Just Some Kid]

There's a reason they call it dope.

According to Aristotle, Thales believed a magnet attracted iron because it had a soul.

& 2k years later, we laugh our butts off at this.

Sure our methodologies have changed but,

How do you think people 2k years from now will view our science?

Mediocre & probably laughing. Yes at your posts as well:P


You should open yourself up.

"It might as well all be magic to us because our definitions don't help us much"


Well, according to another forum, it looks like I should take a physics course.

Why? So I can be addressed with the same problem "you" guys are at?

I don't think so:P

[rinselberg]

So, exactly what part of "If the rest mass of the photon were non-zero, the theory of quantum electrodynamics would be [invalidated] primarily through loss of gauge invariance, which would make it non-renormalisable; also, charge conservation would no longer be absolutely guaranteed, as it is if photons have zero rest mass ..." do you not understand?


What is the mass of a photon?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...oton_mass.html

[Just Some Kid]

"but there is some doubt about the validity of this method"

^I scrolled to the bottom of the page & found this.

Rinselberg, you sound like a pretty smart guy. What is the unified theory?

[rinselberg]

"but there is some doubt about the validity of this method"

^I scrolled to the bottom of the page & found this.

Rinselberg, you sound like a pretty smart guy. What is the unified theory?

Pretty smart, maybe--but I'm not that smart (regrettably).

[CCGREEN]

Funny how no one has weighed in asking the question of the "Kid" how much of what you think you are seeing is really floaters and cells floating around in your Vitreous which is directly in front of your retina, the seeing part of the brain. After you get through all that stuff then you have to ask what are you seeing in your cornea and then what do you see floating in your tear film. Answer all those questions first and then ask about what you see around the light.

[MikeAurelius]

If you squint at light, you will see rays. You see them individually traveling through space.

Don't squint. Don't focus your eyes on anything in particular. Just watch what's going on around the light source.

I see the rays at their smallest value. They no longer travel through space individually, they're packed so close together that they make up space.

If you look closely, the space appears to move. -It almost warps.


Just a thought! ...I assumed that light traveled in packets before I read about Einstein. -If you look at a light source long enough, your eye will start to tear. Squint & the light will form patterns. The light forms in lines in my eyes. They dance in packets together, & break off into smaller groups ...which dance into packets.

(emphasis mine)

Yeah. You are a troll. An interesting one, but still a troll.

If you look at a light source long enough, your eye will start to tear. Squint & the light will form patterns. The light forms in lines in my eyes.

The reason you eye starts to tear is to protect the eye itself from being overloaded and dried out.

The patterns you see are nothing more than the patterns in your eye formed by the rods and cones that actually detect light.

Before you go all cosmic (what are you smoking, by the way?), read up on the anatomy of the eye. It will answer most of your questions.

[Just Some Kid]

Funny how no one has weighed in asking the question of the "Kid" how much of what you think you are seeing is really floaters and cells floating around in your Vitreous which is directly in front of your retina, the seeing part of the brain.

Are these the clear tube-like things?

If so, these are not it.

[Just Some Kid]

The patterns you see are nothing more than the patterns in your eye formed by the rods and cones that actually detect light.

I don't think you understood my point. Regardless of the scenario, my imagination led me to believe that light comes in discrete packets ...before reading about corpuscles.

Do you know what the difference is between getting something & just getting something done? It's going beyond what is refined. You'll have to forgive me for trying to learn. I'd most certainly rather question something & be wrong than take something for granted only to question it later.

We never got a reference book as to why nature works the way it does & we never will get a reference book as to why nature works the way it does

So maybe you should think twice about what you believe to be true, & reconsider opinions like mine.

You should be nice to your neighbors anyway


You can't view science as "set in stone." It's one of the most cumulative disciplines. If there weren't people like me questioning it, it wouldn't go anywhere.

*Let's just assume my theory was correct.

Photons don't really have "various masses" though, do they? I mean, one type of particle has one mass value for that type of particle. In other words, particles that gain or lose mass would then become some other type of particle.

^Does this contradict the idea of the higgs boson (God particle)?

[MikeAurelius]

Be nice to my neighbors? I am and I do.

However, I'm not at all nice to trolls, nor am I nice to people who sign up on this board with fake occupations in order to make themselves fit in.

[uncut]

Great!


Now I have got the "munchies"......Like "Wow, maaaan........"(Quote from Cheech).




Welcome to the forum, JSK!

[Uncle Fester]

I think I've got a plausible explanation that goes back to the days of Wade Boggs (3rd baseman for the Red Sox) chasing Teddy Ballgames batting 400 for a season. Wade like Ted had extraordinary vision. Something like 20/10 and could see the stitches on a baseballs rotation and know what kind of pitch was coming. He went through a period where complained about a wave interfering with his sight.

After different specialists tried glasses and contacts I believe it was an OD that came up with the answer. "Just blink" he told him. Problem solved!

He was seeing his tears wash across his corneas!

[fjpod]

Kid,
Light has a dual nature. Sometimes it acts like a particle and sometimes like a wave. I'm not sure that what you are seeing is related to either attribute, or perhaps to entoptic phenomenon.

Google keywords: dual nature of light, diffraction, entoptic phenomenon,