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    X-Cel Optical gobbled up by Big E


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    Sung while doing my best flamboyant Freddie Mercury impression:

    And another one gone
    And another one gone


    And another one bites the dust!

    Hey....I'm gonna get you too

    Another one bites the dust!

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    My picture of you in a polyester jump suit just went up in price. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    Sung while doing my best flamboyant Freddie Mercury impression:

    And another one gone
    And another one gone
    And another one bites the dust!

    Hey....I'm gonna get you too

    Another one bites the dust!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick777 View Post
    My picture of you in a polyester jump suit just went up in price. Thanks.
    I'm listening to 'Fat Bottomed Girls' right now on Pandora...and all I can see in my mind is Fezz jumping around with a microphone in one hand, a frosty pint in the other, and a polyester jumpsuit...with buckskin fringe on the sleeves! His mustache also seems a little bigger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    I'm listening to 'Fat Bottomed Girls' right now on Pandora...and all I can see in my mind is Fezz jumping around with a microphone in one hand, a frosty pint in the other, and a polyester jumpsuit...with buckskin fringe on the sleeves! His mustache also seems a little bigger...

    I could always throw on one of the awesome sweaters that we saw on our drinking binge and really look smashing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I could always throw on one of the awesome sweaters that we saw on our drinking binge and really look smashing!

    Please where pants this time though... please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I could always throw on one of the awesome sweaters that we saw on our drinking binge and really look smashing!

    I don't think Johns is going to approve of this attire if it is not a proper suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I could always throw on one of the awesome sweaters that we saw on our drinking binge and really look smashing!
    Coffee...meet computer screen. Oh yes, that was Mr nostril you just passed through. THANK YOU FEZZ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    I'm listening to 'Fat Bottomed Girls' right now on Pandora...
    The first rock concert I ever attended (Nov. 25th, 1979) was Queen. Fat Bottomed Girls was in the middle of the set. The drum set was made to look like a bicycle, and it floated down from the ceiling on a platform with Roger Taylor behind it. As soon as they started playing it, a majority of the girls in the crowd dropped trou and mooned the band. I have to laugh everytime I hear that song!
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    This is an outrage !!!!!!!!!

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    I hate Essilor so so so much.

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    Maybe you all hate them, but you keep buying their products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    Maybe you all hate them, but you keep buying their products.
    In some ways, it's almost impossible to NOT buy their products. :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAurelius View Post
    In some ways, it's almost impossible to NOT buy their products. :-(
    Now, that piqued my interest. In what ways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Canty View Post
    Now, that piqued my interest. In what ways?
    Some (mumble mumble) of years ago, X-Cel had an advertising campaign entitled "All the Odd Ducks", and it played to their strengths: making the one-off or short production runs of lenses that were not possible to get anywhere else.

    You know I work in glass, so here's just an example: where else can you get a plano base D35 in a 2.50 add? (Diving mask lenses)

    In CR-39 casting, they make not only extra thick lens blanks, but extra thick lens blanks with plano backs. I'm pretty sure if you wanted them, they could make some with a plus power back.

    They have ALWAYS been the go-to place to get the off-the beaten track, odd-ball lenses (within the realm of reality and availability of raw materials). X-Cel is the last large-scale fuser left in the US. Look what happened when VE moved to Indonesia. First their quality dropped in the bucket, then they had a fire that destroyed the facility and they were off-line for 2-3 years.

    Why is fusing so important? If you want made-in-the-USA CR-39 bifocals, X-Cel is about the only place left that makes them that way, using fused glass molds.

    As we know, when "E" comes in, they clean house and drop all the "insignificant" and "unprofitable" product lines and turn the facility into a clone-mill. Will this happen at X-Cel? I don't know, but if past history is any clue, the answer is most probably yes. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But if I'm right, my life has just gotten a lot more complicated.

    Joe and Wayne are holding only 20% "control" of the company now. What's going to happen to prices? "E" now controls the prices of a major lens manufacturer in the US. I suspect we will see prices go up across the board and availability of product ranges shrink significantly.

    That's my two cents, but I've based it on being a customer of X-Cel since 1975 and watching "E" take over the industry since the 1990's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAurelius View Post
    In some ways, it's almost impossible to NOT buy their products. :-(
    I would disagree. They are mediocre in almost every catagory, big yes, but if you focus on quality they are easy to leave behind.

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    Private label FF lenses, you still need blanks. Need those specialty blanks, they've been assimilated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiTrace View Post
    Private label FF lenses, you still need blanks. Need those specialty blanks, they've been assimilated.
    Yup. I know Shamir provides most of the blanks available but then Essilor has their hand in that cookie jar too. Thats as far as I feed the beast if I can help it.
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    Do Zeiss or Hoya lenses indirectly fund Essilor in any way (unless they have transitions)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_S View Post
    Do Zeiss or Hoya lenses indirectly fund Essilor in any way (unless they have transitions)?
    You can bypass Transitions by using Photofusion with Zeiss. I think Hoya is completely independent which is one of the main reasons I use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCspecs View Post
    You can bypass Transitions by using Photofusion with Zeiss. I think Hoya is completely independent which is one of the main reasons I use them.
    Hoya is not truly independant. They have to license Free-form tech from Zeiss and Seiko. They buy their Poly and 1.67 from Seiko. They get their hardcoats from Matsui Resin. The license Phoenix from PPG. They are more dependant than any other optical company really.

    They started as the Essilor distributor in Japan, and only recently (relatively) began manufacturing. They have outsourced much more of their production than most major suppliers, and are just now filling holes in their production chain. Not a bad business strategy, per se, its good for ROI. But you can easily see their interest in purchasing Seiko, they are possibly the least independant of all the major players.
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    What happens if "E" decides that free-forms need to be processed only at its facilities and starts tightening up on the supply of single vision lenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAurelius View Post
    What happens if "E" decides that free-forms need to be processed only at its facilities and starts tightening up on the supply of single vision lenses?
    They'll create an opportunity for another supplier. Great for me I use an E lab and now I have more options.

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    Is Younger optical still independent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_S View Post
    Is Younger optical still independent?
    For now yes! But who knows for how long!

    Vision Ease is also still ind!

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