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    Accountability and transparency ...a lesson

    Transparency and accountabiility are easy to print and state but they are a much harder standard to live up to . Governance alone won't stop conflicts of interest and goverenance won't insure acceptable practice if the participants only view it as a camouflage .

    It took investigative reporters to bring this one into line and correct past transgressions.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...000-plus-bonus

    The ORNGE AFFAIR .... this reporter says there is a lesson to be learned but it appears that the responsible parties are going to require constant investigation and supervision to hold them to the standards they proclaim . Still they don't take matters seriously .

    This is an interesting article about ORNGE that was in the Toronto Star today.


    The continued work of these Investigative reporters , should be applauded. Investigative reporters serve a vital role for when checks and balances fail and only deaf ears prevail .

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    [QUOTE=idispense;447022]Transparency and accountabiility are easy to print and state but they are a much harder standard to live up to . Governance alone won't stop conflicts of interest and goverenance won't insure acceptable practice if the participants only view it as a camouflage .

    It took investigative reporters to bring this one into line and correct past transgressions.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...000-plus-bonus

    The ORNGE AFFAIR .... this reporter says there is a lesson to be learned but it appears that the responsible parties are going to require constant investigation and supervision to hold them to the standards they proclaim . Still they don't take matters seriously .

    This is an interesting article about ORNGE that was in the Toronto Star today.


    The continued work of these Investigative reporters , should be applauded. Investigative reporters serve a vital role for when checks and balances fail and only deaf ears prevail .[/QUOTE

    Idispense;

    You are such a broken record that I only read the headline to know it was you that it was your post.
    Perhaps it's time to pick another cause to hitch your star to like global warming or something?

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    [QUOTE=Golfnorth;447024]
    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    Transparency and accountabiility are easy to print and state but they are a much harder standard to live up to . Governance alone won't stop conflicts of interest and goverenance won't insure acceptable practice if the participants only view it as a camouflage .

    It took investigative reporters to bring this one into line and correct past transgressions.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...000-plus-bonus

    The ORNGE AFFAIR .... this reporter says there is a lesson to be learned but it appears that the responsible parties are going to require constant investigation and supervision to hold them to the standards they proclaim . Still they don't take matters seriously .

    This is an interesting article about ORNGE that was in the Toronto Star today.


    The continued work of these Investigative reporters , should be applauded. Investigative reporters serve a vital role for when checks and balances fail and only deaf ears prevail .[/QUOTE

    Idispense;

    You are such a broken record that I only read the headline to know it was you that it was your post.
    Perhaps it's time to pick another cause to hitch your star to like global warming or something?
    The guys got passion, why would you be a douche and try to bring him down. This time of year don't be a grinch.

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    The attitude is troubling considering our own need that required A CTV investigative reporter and An Emergency Task Force to deal with :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Silverman


    Fortunately we still have competent investigative reporters that will cling to matters involving morals, principles , ethics , accountability and transparency .

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    [QUOTE=PhiTrace;447053]
    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post

    The guys got passion, why would you be a douche and try to bring him down. This time of year don't be a grinch.
    Now who's being the Massengill?? Quite harsh post for an outsider who doesn't have any local knowledge of the Northern political ongoings.


    Passion would actually attract enthusiastic supporters - his approach is more or less rhetoric with a light dusting of axe to grind.

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    This is a conversation about the very important role that investigative reporters play in society and how investigative reporters protect the public when the normal protectors are asleep at the switch or for whatever other reason are unable to respond and fulfill their proclaimed duties, as public protectors. I will point out that there can be reasons why a legislated public protector would prefer to dump things into the hands of a investigative reporter just as there are valid reasons as to why a public would prefer to use an investigative reporter.


    This particular conversation was about the Ministry that oversaw the ORNGE AFAIR ..our public AIR AMBULANCE service . A service gone wrong , and how even after installing new personell, there was still no Accountability and no Transparency. This is public information available on the front pages of many newspapers.

    There are many other examples of the role investigative reporters have played to protect the public , all of which are public information , and all of which were necessary when all other channels failed to protect the public . Some examples were the one sited above concerning "The Optician Gone Mad" and the role that was necessary for one investigative reporter to seek justice on behalf of the Ontario public when other legislative means were of no use to the public.
    I might add, that matter is still outstanding years later, which is also public record.

    I could also have pointed out many other roles that investigative reporters have played when politicians could not do the right thing . One such event that comes to mind and is approrpriate at this particular time is the role the Michael Moore played in his documentary "Bowling for Columbine" . In very short order and with little effort he succeeded in having K-Mart remove all ammunition and firearms from sale in their stores. He did what politicians and other so called Protectors of the Public could not find in their tool bag . He did the right thing . Perhaps other stores might rethink their own degree of rightousness in the spirit of public protection.

    It is obvious you are not enthusiastic to discuss this topic in this light and context. Still I welcome your opinion and will gladly hear you out subject to the rules of this forum and with decency prevailing.

    Now do you have something to contribute that is not going to subject yourself to a conflict of interest and which is of public record ? Perhaps from your knowledge of "Northern politics" you would like to comment on public protection from the perspective of why legislated and Provincial empowered bodies are unable to deal with certain cases in a timely format , or we would welcome your contributions to our understanding of many other areas of public protection, perhaps you could address how Election Irregularities like ROBO Calls were handled by investigative reporters and government agencies ?

    Sometimes Serious matters require serious alternatives , make no mistake about it , without those alternatives the public would be in serious trouble and unable to defend themselves or bring about moral change . Too many times people are bropught up to kangaroo courts based on trumped up charges and too many times the result is a wrong person being executed when DNA or other evidences would prove them innocent .

    This is a conversation about alternatives and the roles investigative reporters have played and the results they can achieve in society.

    Please contribute on that basis.

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    If others are interested in this topic, perhaps we might also discuss alternate mechanisms in place that would protect the public interests and avoid use of investigative reporters.

    It comes to mind, that just such a mechanism was anticipated as necessasry when various Ministeries legislatively enacted powers that would allow them to install a supervisor. Supervisors have been used in many instances to regain control of errant behavours in the past.

    The enacting of legislation that would empower a supervisor is interesting. Would anyone like to research and discuss the steps necessary to invoke a supervisor or discuss just why the Ministeries saw the need for this legislation?

    If our Ministers thought it necessary to have these powers then why should we not be free to discuss it on this forum ?

    We could describe some hypothetical situations where installing a supervisor would be well advised. Who can think of such examples ?

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    " It is an offence under the Canada Elections Act to wilfully prevent or endeavour to prevent an elector from voting at an election", this is quoted from Wikpedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocal..._law_in_Canada )
    in reference to the ROBOCALLS or ROBOGATE. As it is a matter of public record we could discuss election abuses and attempts to influence election outcomes and various methods employed to achieve those ends as revealed by the investigators of ROBOGATE, and discuss the important role of the investigators in this matter .

    The quality of leadership and how to achieve good leadership and the need to police leadership is a serious matter to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    This is a conversation about the very important role that investigative reporters play in society and how investigative reporters protect the public when the normal protectors are asleep at the switch or for whatever other reason are unable to respond and fulfill their proclaimed duties, as public protectors. I will point out that there can be reasons why a legislated public protector would prefer to dump things into the hands of a investigative reporter just as there are valid reasons as to why a public would prefer to use an investigative reporter.


    This particular conversation was about the Ministry that oversaw the ORNGE AFAIR ..our public AIR AMBULANCE service . A service gone wrong , and how even after installing new personell, there was still no Accountability and no Transparency. This is public information available on the front pages of many newspapers.

    There are many other examples of the role investigative reporters have played to protect the public , all of which are public information , and all of which were necessary when all other channels failed to protect the public . Some examples were the one sited above concerning "The Optician Gone Mad" and the role that was necessary for one investigative reporter to seek justice on behalf of the Ontario public when other legislative means were of no use to the public.
    I might add, that matter is still outstanding years later, which is also public record.

    I could also have pointed out many other roles that investigative reporters have played when politicians could not do the right thing . One such event that comes to mind and is approrpriate at this particular time is the role the Michael Moore played in his documentary "Bowling for Columbine" . In very short order and with little effort he succeeded in having K-Mart remove all ammunition and firearms from sale in their stores. He did what politicians and other so called Protectors of the Public could not find in their tool bag . He did the right thing . Perhaps other stores might rethink their own degree of rightousness in the spirit of public protection.

    It is obvious you are not enthusiastic to discuss this topic in this light and context. Still I welcome your opinion and will gladly hear you out subject to the rules of this forum and with decency prevailing.

    Now do you have something to contribute that is not going to subject yourself to a conflict of interest and which is of public record ? Perhaps from your knowledge of "Northern politics" you would like to comment on public protection from the perspective of why legislated and Provincial empowered bodies are unable to deal with certain cases in a timely format , or we would welcome your contributions to our understanding of many other areas of public protection, perhaps you could address how Election Irregularities like ROBO Calls were handled by investigative reporters and government agencies ?

    Sometimes Serious matters require serious alternatives , make no mistake about it , without those alternatives the public would be in serious trouble and unable to defend themselves or bring about moral change . Too many times people are bropught up to kangaroo courts based on trumped up charges and too many times the result is a wrong person being executed when DNA or other evidences would prove them innocent .

    This is a conversation about alternatives and the roles investigative reporters have played and the results they can achieve in society.

    Please contribute on that basis.
    Idispense,
    I've never seen such a blowhard ramble in circles the way you do.
    "this conversation is about the very important role investigative reporting....this conversation is about the ministry that oversaw ORNGE...this conversation is about alternatives."
    This conversation is in your head!

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