Hi is it ok to use 1.56 photochromic lens instaed of polycarbonate - photochromic fo

[Torontooptician]

Hi i charged from customer <removed> for 2 optical frames and lens for child aged 8 years with photochromic and antiglare coating.
cost difference for each pair is <removed> between 1.56 lens and 1.586 - polycarbonate lens.

Being a new in business i did not charge enough. what does it make difference optically (safety) for children if I use 1.56 instaed of polycarbonate as even if it breaks , down the road i can fix it with same cost difference without any charge to customer? (difference between these poly+photochromic+ arc + uv and 1.56+phtochromic+arc+uv is {Wholesale pricing removed as per posting guidelines} for each pair it is like even if i need to make it again i am not loosing it. what your experience says? is there any ansi requirements for poly instaed of other lens for kids or its generally recommendede poly for kids.?.

[braheem24]

1.56 is the most brittle plastic available.

[chip anderson]

What's anti-glare lens?

[cocoisland58]

Well Toronto what would you what your child wearing?

[MikeAurelius]

Why are prices being discussed??? I thought we had a no-price rule.

[Wes]

What's anti-glare lens?

Sounds like a polarized lens to me.

[chip anderson]

Wes, Sounds to me like he is miss-representing AR as "anti-glare". Don't think he would be using the clear to polarized product here.

Chip

[Wes]

Agreed Chip. Just saying when I hear anti-glare, I think polarized. While I understand that some ECPs call it anti-glare because that works with customers, I wish were could call it what it is amongst ourselves.

[Uncle Fester]

Does Canada require eyeglasses meet american standards?

Standard of care requires trivex or poly for all kids imo.

[chip anderson]

Standard of care doesn't require it, fear of similar lawsuit from a few years back indicates it "duty to warn" silliness.

Chip

[EyeManFla]

who in the hell still sells 1.56.......crap!

[lind2020]

Well, I hope you feel duly chastised for asking a question on here, this forum is not for that sort of silliness!

Learn your lesson, no answer for you!

[normuck]

WOW really Anti glare makes you think of polarized before ARC? I think of ARC and anti glare as pretty interchangeable terms. But I guess after 20 years, there is always something new to learn.

I always try to put children in poly, but here in the state of TX the state programs wont even pay for it. So with those kids they typically have CR39, and you would be shocked to know I havent had one shattered lens! So if I were you I would use the more profitable lens and gamble on the fact that lenses of any sort typically dont shatter. Check and make sure its not regulated in your area, in all the states Ive practiced in, Ive seen opticians tell bold face lies to their patients saying that its a LAW that kids be put in poly. I have yet to see this law in print. Hope this helps ;)

[EyeManFla]

Here in North Carolina, MCD will not pay for poly either. And, it can take over two months to get their glasses. Given the cost of stock SV poly with AR, I can sell kids glasses pretty cheap all day long and still make a nice profit.

[normuck]

yeah ive tried to get the doc here to offer poly to my Caid pts at like 20 bucks, but he says it will devalue poly to his cash patients.....(shrugs)

[AngeHamm]

WOW really Anti glare makes you think of polarized before ARC? I think of ARC and anti glare as pretty interchangeable terms. But I guess after 20 years, there is always something new to learn.

This is why I never use the word "glare" in reference to AR lenses. AR minimizes lens reflections, polarized minimizes external glare.

[eyechick1969]

Poly is not in the law in the us but a gazillion of ya'll claim it's law. please copy & paste any new laws I need to be made aware of.

[eyechick1969]

normuck, I am not shocked that with cr39 that you've had not one shattered lens. Ansi makes us use a 2.0 min ct and hey it kinda works. haha, bash me all you want, but true cheapo poly that most of the world is using stinks because hey, the lenses will look like you used a brillo pad to clean them after 4 months. Poly is fabulous when warranted and when we pay the few extra bucks for the lenses that the hardened coating is actually reasonably well adhered!

to each his/her own

[eyechick1969]

Does Canada require eyeglasses meet american standards?

Standard of care requires trivex or poly for all kids imo.

please copy and paste that law to me and the others.

[Judy Canty]

ANSI doesn't make you do anything. ANSI is voluntary. However, ANSI standards are a part of the VA Opticianry Regulations, so the VA Regs make you meet them, unless you don't have a VA license and then you're on your own.

[eyechick1969]

I got that, but anyone out there claiming it's law, do copy and paste. that's all

[pseudonym]

Does Canada require eyeglasses meet american standards?

Standard of care requires trivex or poly for all kids imo.

You did say "imo" so it's a true statement. Our lab will not do plastic or hi-index for anyone under 18 unless the parents sign a waiver. Which is probably worth the paper it's printed on. I don't let the patients know there is a waiver. I tell them poly is required. No one has asked by whom. (ME)

[chip anderson]

Hell, here Medicaid not only won't pay for poly, it won't pay for scratch coat either. Now does this mean that our liability (real or imagined) is greater for children of parents that pay for the child's glasses than for children that parents on the dole?

Chip

Yes I ment "on the dole" not "entitled."

[LENNY]

I don't think legally you can charge a Medicaid patient $$$ for any upgrade including poly. So if Medicaid does not cover......

[becc971]

in maine the medicaid frames come std with poly, but we only give glasses up until the age of 21, its strange that it wouldnt be covered in other states to me??!! we still get the same crappy reimbursement as everyone else though i'm sure