Plano lenses with anti reflective lenses

[Happylady]

An optician I work with told me his new glasses have plano lenses with AR. He was wearing them over his contacts. Then he told me he got them for the glare on the computer screen.

[shannon]

I've done plano with AR quite a few times. I have done that mostly for lasik patients who were having quite a bit of difficulty at night. Were you finding this to be a strange thing that he did? Just curious.

[AustinEyewear]

An optician I work with told me his new glasses have plano lenses with AR. He was wearing them over his contacts. Then he told me he got them for the glare on the computer screen.

Happy Lady - Certainly you've heard glasses are IN VOGUE! We get some of our lines shipped with A/R already applied, and ready to wear!

[shannon]

Happy Lady - Certainly you've heard glasses are IN VOGUE! We get some of our lines shipped with A/R already applied, and ready to wear!

LOL, one of my co-workers, I love her dearly, is new to optics. She purchased a pair of transitions plano for over her contacts and I looked at her in pure horror when I realized they didn't have AR on them. I snapped them off of her and sent the lenses right back to the lab :) It was pretty funny....no AR?? I was about traumatized by the entire situation. (ok, i maybe going a bit overboard, but I was close to it!) Thankfully, she loves the AR and now understands why we teach our patients the benefits of them.

[fjpod]

It's debatable whether AR over plano lenses does anything to help glare that exists without glasses.

[Chris Ryser]

....................................I looked at her in pure horror when I realized they didn't have AR on them. .......................................no AR?? I was about traumatized by the entire situation. Thankfully, she loves the AR and now understands why we teach our patients the benefits of them.

Real dramatic............................a post made by the victim of AR advertisng brainwash that is hitting the consumers for a while now or, the commission increase when selling them.

05-11-2012, 03:47 AM

It's debatable whether AR over plano lenses does anything to help glare that exists without glasses

Thats why AR is only in the 30% of total sales. However the more are sold the more,my remover sales are going up.

[Wes]

AR coatings on lenses are there to reduce (not eliminate) reflections caused by the lenses themselves. The AR coat will not alleviate any issues not directly caused by the lenses. Therefore, at best you are slightly exacerbating the issue by using Plano AR since the AR reduces (not eliminates) reflections.

[cocoisland58]

Most newer computer screens are already non-glare. There is no reason to create glare with plano lenses and then take it away with AR coating. Oh wait yes there is....$$$.

[Diane]

I would differ with the consept of plano Transitions and AR. I would advocate it for sure. It would still be great for allowing the ECP to wear eyewear in the office and would certainly be a great comfort lens when worn outdoors. As a matter of fact, I can think of a numer of non ECP's who would benefit from it. For those of you who thik AR is ONLY for $'s, I truly feel sorry for you. I truly believe in the benefits of AR. However, there would be a real issue for AR on clear plano lenses to reduce reflections. Maybe there's another purpose, of which I am not yet aware.

Diane

[MakeOptics]

As Wes pointed out a clear pair with no glare does absolutely nothing to benefit the patient opticaly. If the wearer was trying to create a look the its understandable.

I have found light tints with AR useful in the past for CVS.

[chip anderson]

Shannon:

Now for the $64 question: Did your co-worker ever use the non-AR lenses even for a day? If so could he/she tell any difference whatsoever when wearing them after adding AR?

Chip

[Robert Martellaro]

An optician I work with told me his new glasses have plano lenses with AR. He was wearing them over his contacts. Then he told me he got them for the glare on the computer screen.

I wish I could have seen the look on his face after you were done with him! Another aha! moment, to be sure.

http://www.aoa.org/documents/EffectsComputerUse.pdf
http://optometrieenligne.umontreal.c...tion_10/JS.pdf

[Happylady]

AR coatings on lenses are there to reduce (not eliminate) reflections caused by the lenses themselves. The AR coat will not alleviate any issues not directly caused by the lenses. Therefore, at best you are slightly exacerbating the issue by using Plano AR since the AR reduces (not eliminates) reflections.

Yes, actually! They do nothing for the glare after LASIK or from a computer screen that is there if you aren't wearing glasses. They only reduce reflections caused by the lenses.

I wish I could have seen the look on his face after you were done with him! Another aha! moment, to be sure.

http://www.aoa.org/documents/EffectsComputerUse.pdf
http://optometrieenligne.umontreal.c...tion_10/JS.pdf

I said nothing.

[mdeimler]

what she said above. A/R is only good on the glasses you ALREADY wear/need. Not the cosmetic ones you WANT to wear.

[eyechick1969]

fjpod & Wes,
Kudos.
AR isn't needed if there's no lens.

[AngeHamm]

fjpod & Wes,
Kudos.
AR isn't needed if there's no lens.

+1

[Happylady]

I think part of the problem is that people ( and I am guilty here) are calling them non glare lenses rather then anti-reflective lenses. They remove most of the reflections that the lenses produce not glare.

I think AR is wonderful and I certainly notice the difference between lenses with and without them. But I have talked to some people who felt they didn't notice a difference.

As for Chris's problems that he sees with AR scratching and peeling, I almost never see these problems with premium AR.

[Happylady]

Also, I have no issue with my coworker wearing plano lenses over his contacts. He wanted to wear a stylish pair of glasses. And if he is going to wear glasses at work he should have AR on them. My eye roll was because he told me he was wearing them to reduce the glare if the computer and this just shows he doesn't really understand AR and what it really does.

[AngeHamm]

I think part of the problem is that people ( and I am guilty here) are calling them non glare lenses rather then anti-reflective lenses. They remove most of the reflections that the lenses produce not glare.

Yes.

[Judy Canty]

So stop with the "newspeak" and go back to how to properly describe lens treatments.

[eyechick1969]

no surfaces mean no surface reflections. I think, heehee

no need for AR

[chip anderson]

CouriousCat:

You don't want us to have to go back to being honest with the customers do you? After all many of us are in sales.

Chip

Next thing Judy will come up with doing away with "Political Correctness."

[Judy Canty]

Chip, I just think we need to be honest and professional when we are working with patients, rather than relying on marketing schemes to provide us with ambiguous sales-speak.

[MakeOptics]

Real petty, close down a thread and still continue to be passive agressive about a subject. Get over it. The company that introduced "no-glare" terminology is an industry leader with sales far exceeding any of the companies represented here in this thread. They are praised for their marketing prowess and continue to provide new and innovative ways to sell products.

The first commercially viable progressive.
They market AR to consumers to the point crizal is a recognized brand.
Photochromic polarized lenses fall under their umbrella (Vantage).


I used to think like many of you here and fight against the current, btu is is far easier to spend my dime on my education, and not rely on them for education but marketing. The rest of the opticians I see that are disgruntled tend to rely on them for bona fide education and then get upset when they are given marketing materials. That's what I expect and want from them and they meet my expectations. Many of you act like you are high and mighty but I have seen many an optician act like they are better then offering E products but at the end of the day it is their go to progressive and go to AR of choice. Many don't even know products outside of the E portfolio exist and their respective practices continue to flourish.

Call it ARC or "no glare" just freakin sell it because it's beneficial for the client and your practice. I don't really care how any of you sleep at night when you "honorbly" offer a product. I have never slept better since I stopped playing politics with manufacturers and just went with what ever improves my bottom line and gives me the products I need to offer my clients. At the end of the day if you've made enough money to keep the doors open then you've done good, go home it's freakin Miller time.

I would also suggest taking a hard look at the various tools offered by the "no glare" company to help your practice succeed in offering the product, I have a large arsenal of AR tools to close a deal and I get these tools from the big E.

[Wes]

They're even advertising crizal on pandora internet radio now. Gotta hand it to em. They're on point with the marketing piece.

Anyway, gotta run, its time for a pint o Guinness.