PD responsibilities

**idispense** · 03-19-2012, 10:15 PM

Canadian retreating to Canadian forum

**idispense** · 03-19-2012, 10:25 PM

Canadian retreating to Canadian forum

**Wes** · 03-19-2012, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by idispense

Not quite true , we had a dedicated leader , a visionary, an implimenter and an organizer. They don't . That's why the Americans will eventually buy in to Canada's branding.

Aside from recent developments with deregulation, I agree that Canada (and Europe) have a better model than we do.

**tmorse** · 03-20-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

Not quite true , we had a dedicated leader , a visionary, an implimenter and an organizer. They don't . That's why the Americans will eventually buy in to Canada's branding.

Aww shucks, fellows. It was nothing.

**gmc** · 03-20-2012, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

You guys argue endlessly about PD's while none of you bother to read that onliners can be stopped where applicable laws prohibit dispensing except by a licensed optician or optometrist.

North Carolina's board attempted to regulate online optical sales. The FTC didn't think much of their rule.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2011/01/1101ncopticiansletter.pdf

**Chris Ryser** · 03-20-2012, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by 4554lake

Online vendors undercut any B&M location by a huge margin.....They have the economy of scale when purchasing goods.......plus low overhead costs...no storefront....low labour costs ...... no before/after sales service,other than providing the glasses....

Its impossible to compete price wise with these outfits....unless you want to subsidize the costs yourself....

It is about the price......

Coastal had a Press release, I think it 2 years ago, that they just hired employee number 300 in Vancouver BC. How much will it cost to pay 300 peoples salary in the town with highest real estate prices, and have or rent or own the premises for a workplace for each of them? Storage space for stock and lab space ?

Their purchases are cheaper for the products they buy because they most probably by-pass the importer/wholesaler by purchasing direct in China.

Many of them have the lab work done in China in labs that are as modern as the one here.

Why don,t you admit that this is where the world has gone and the internet has not only become the place for information but also a world of competition to long established businesses of all sorts and types.

If you do not shoot down the satellites that transmit the internet and paralize it........................you will have to live with it and whatever goodies it will bring you in the future. The future is also coming at a faster pace with every day. What is happening today was discussed years ago on OptiBoard to be reality by 2025 to 2030 and it is all here now.

We all have to adapt to new situations, and the smart ones will continue to make a living while the others will jump off the cliff.

**Golfnorth** · 03-20-2012, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

You guys argue endlessly about PD's while none of you bother to read that onliners can be stopped where applicable laws prohibit dispensing except by a licensed optician or optometrist. it is simple,it is easy and it does not cost much to do. You only have to read the bottom of GOOGle's web pages and Kijiji's to see how to do it . You only have to read about how Goofgle was fined for illegal application of their technologies in the pharmacy advertisements and the Olympic Lottery ticket sale and Spec Savers etc etc etc .

It can be done and done easily and effectively . Your own Colleges, Regulatory bodies and Associations are not working for you by not doing it . They are working against you and using your money to work against you .

You guys only want to bicker. If you wanted to fix it you would pay attention to Chris and start reading up on how GOOFGle has been fined hundreds of millions of dollars and then they stopped the illegal ads geographically where it was against local applicable laws .

Why are all of you so blind ?

What you should really be debating is why you are all letting your Regulatory bodies and Associations get away with this inaction and inappropriate use of your self regulating funds . And you should be debating why you all refuse to look at the answer which is right in front of you . IF you can post here then you are on a computer and the answer is right there.

Wondering what specifically you have done about this issue other than post on Optiboard. Have you contacted our College and what was their response?

Regards,
Golfnorth

**idispense** · 03-20-2012, 07:18 AM

Canadian retreating to Canadian forum

**idispense** · 03-20-2012, 07:26 AM

Canadian retreating to Canadian forum

**Golfnorth** · 03-20-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

We have been over this before Golfnorth. The College is locked in internal power struggles and is without valid leadership , they are too embroiled in protecting their past to move forward to meet the future . They do not answer or respond .

So you contacted them by phone or in writing?
If you wrote the College are you saying that you never received a reply?

Regards,
Golfnorth

**idispense** · 03-20-2012, 07:52 AM

Canadian retreating to Canadian forum

**Golfnorth** · 03-20-2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

Golf , look at the College's latest press release , it declares internet vendors to be illegal in Ontario and they have been saying that for years now , but what have they done about it? The Press release means nothing because they have done nothing. It is clear that these sales can be stopped in Ontario . The pharmacy ads were stopped in the states and Goofgle was fined 500 million. In the UK the Olympic Lottery Ticket sales by illegals was stopped by action against Goofgle using the same tactics . In Australia Spec Savers has an injunction against Coastals ADs and Goofgle.

It can be done and has been done.

Once again you are not answering the question that I have asked you.
Did you contact the College in writing and are you saying they did not respond to you?
That is a simple question.

**Chris Ryser** · 03-20-2012, 02:13 PM

How about moving this discussion to the Canadian Forum, I don,t think that the US OptiBoarders are much interested in it.

**Wes** · 03-20-2012, 02:21 PM

So in an 8 page, 180+ post thread, the last handful are by Canadians, and you have determined that it should be moved? How'd you come by that leap of logic?

**idispense** · 03-20-2012, 02:33 PM

Canadians discussing solutions for Americans not allowed , retreating to Canadian forum

**drk** · 03-20-2012, 09:58 PM

I really, truly think Idispense has the correct framing of the problem, and solution.

Tell more about the optician branding initiative, please, as well.

**Chris Ryser** · 03-21-2012, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Wes

So in an 8 page, 180+ post thread, the last handful are by Canadians, and you have determined that it should be moved? How'd you come by that leap of logic?

Then you should check the Canadian Forum where the same posters have discussed this exact same subject for the last few weeks.

**idispense** · 03-21-2012, 06:57 AM

Canadian solutions not allowed on American forum, retreating to Canadian forum

**Wes** · 03-21-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Wes

Aside from recent developments with deregulation, I agree that Canada (and Europe) have a better model than we do.

Originally Posted by idispense

Canadian solutions not allowed on American forum, retreating to Canadian forum

As you can see from the above post, some of us welcome "foreign" ideas.

**uncut** · 03-21-2012, 10:34 PM

You know....idispense has had many interesting point, but a week later they all get edited out, kinda like following footprints in a snowstorm........... ..... ..... ..... ......LOL

**idispense** · 03-21-2012, 11:40 PM

didn't know anyone cared ,,, I thought I was being extradited ,,, can we have a group hug ?

**Chris Ryser** · 03-22-2012, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by idispense

didn't know anyone cared ,,, I thought I was being extradited ,,, can we have a group hug ?

We all care................just that we don't do nothing about it

Half of the US is not even regulated and they do not care, and do less than nothing about it. In Canada we have at least a structure in which also nobody does anything.

This thread about PD has been pretty active, but has anything positive been reached, I don't think so.

**Golfnorth** · 03-22-2012, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by uncut

You know....idispense has had many interesting point, but a week later they all get edited out, kinda like following footprints in a snowstorm........... ..... ..... ..... ......LOL

Yes I have noticed that his posts vanish more than any other poster here. Is it the work of a foreign government? The College of Opticians of Ontario? Or is he not very confident in his posts?

**Wes** · 03-22-2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Golfnorth

Yes I have noticed that his posts vanish more than any other poster here. Is it the work of a foreign government? The College of Opticians of Ontario? Or is he not very confident in his posts?

Posts? What posts? The first rule of vanishing posts is "you don't talk about vanishing posts."