That right there is the reason it took me so long to join. You think I am only aspiring to mediocrity because of my OPINION on 1 subject! I am doing what I can to aspire to something greater. I live in an unliscensed state and I am working towards getting my ABO-AC and hope to one day earn my ABOM.
Better spokesperson?? There's a spokesperson???
SV & Bif/Trif glasses were made for DECADES with a binocular PD. let's get real about how harmful the "wrong" PD actually is. When you (over) simplify it, accurate mono PD's most closely affect progressive utility in moderate to high adds. As far as the importance of unwanted prism, Rxs today are insufficiently complete or robust enough to predict problems, discomfort or harm with unwanted prism, IMHO.
I'm open to being corrected here, however.
Go.
B
So because we did it wrong in the past, we should continue doing it wrong in the present and future?
Honestly, this makes no sense, especially coming from you. You KNOW that a basic PD will generally result in garbage glasses. I've read your articles and posts. You're smarter than this, and you can't play both sides of the fence with us. An eyewear rx is in no way similar to a CL rx because in the eyewear rx, the frame size, shape, dimensions, vertex, panto, wrap, and wear habits are not taken into account. Isn't this what you teach in your articles? Yes, because I've read them. You discuss freeform this and that, aspheric and atoric this and that, and then suggest that a binocular PD is good enough for anyone? I smell a RAT! There is FAR too much left off an eye exam to make a good pair, because the frame is unknown in the RX process. There is NO way to prescribe GLASSES from the chair. I know you know this, because you are at least as knowledgable as I, and I think more so. Your facts are usually spot on, but... Whatever it is, you play both sides of the fence far too often for me to put much stock in your opinions.
Here's what I'm afraid of: I think you're gaming the system to rid the world of the "average " optician so that a premier optician like yourself can be more successful in the aftermath. Please tell me I'm wrong.
Last edited by Wes; 03-14-2012 at 11:48 PM.
Wesley S. Scott, MBA, MIS, ABOM, NCLE-AC, LDO - SC & GA
“As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it.” -Albert Einstein
Wes:
I truly believe adequate Is the right term for describing a bino-pd pair of SV or Ft eyewear. Years ago, it wasn't really wrong, just adequate (but we weren't aware of that).
If you read my stuff, you know I loathe using right or wrong to describe eyewear.
In order for excellent to truly shine, there must be adequate to be compared against. Im not for adequate, but i think it is unrealistic to say all eyewear has to be excellent. Even before the advent of online, this was true, and remains so, IMHO today.
B
Bino Pd eyewear, using non FF lenses , is no different whether bought online, or in a (poor) b&m.
I'm not trying to play both sides. I am firmly on one side, but realistic enough to concede the other side exists, and should remain an option for those who would desire to choose it.
That is the *best *way the public can truly come to appreciate what you and I and others here do.
It would be foolish of me to say everyone should the same home entertainment equipment that I di, because anything less is garbarge.
Whose to say? I only know that there are differences, and I believe enough in what we do to not fear that adequate will take over for excellent, simply because it's price appears initially more attractive.
lake.................you are so right,............................. I just posted the question on "Google -----------> "about pupillary distance"
Resulting in : About 178,000,000 results (0.08 seconds)
About 10 years ago Google did not even know what a PD was, today this has become a common topic because on liner opticals did advertise that opticians supplied this information for free, as well as did not charge for adjustments and follow ups.
This would actually be misleading advertising as in Canada http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/e...eng/01222.html
and in the USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_a...ng_regulations
Instaed of hackling on this issue for an eternity you could actually consent to charge for your services and then sue the on-liners or have the governments sue them under their current laws. You would see that the on-liners would change their advertising tactics very fast and would say go to the opticians and have the service done against a certain fee, and part of the problem would solved very quickly.
Do not forget that many posts on OptiBoard will be available on Goggle minutes after they have been made.
Last edited by Chris Ryser; 03-15-2012 at 03:19 AM.
I'll sell them the PD for $50 and it come with me sitting down and helping them choose the right size frame (to a degree) from their online optical of choice and picking the right materials and options. If they want to come back in for an adjustment $30 for 1/2 hour of my time in adjusing them. I let them know that they are only saving if they don't need these services with the glasses but if they need the services since no one is providing them they can see me.
As for the Free Form thing, I have not seen much information to either qualify or disqualify anyone from a FF lens so rather than think of it as not everyone needs it, until I can justify not giving the best vision to everyone then they all need it. I make money and they get the best, which BTW is still the best whether they need it or not.
Why do people get eye exams? Why does a trained doctor do it? Do is looking for diseases and complications. Why does the doc perform refraction? Who knows, maybe something else will be picked up during refraction that is correlated with other tests prior to refraction. In the end, the doc is measuring an organs ability to function, and part of that is diagnosis is writing down the Rx.
However, Doc is not taking any other physical measurements required to build eye glasses!!! This is the eyeglass tailors job.
I just don't see how they can ever determine that it should be included with the Rx? If its not an exact number that everyone gets when measured the same, then it's subjective.
So if Doc get 30.5 OD and I believe 31.0 OD then who's right? See why it'll never be required with a refraction.
I don't even think our Doctor knows
how to take a PD, and on top of that he's never worn glasses nor does he plan too. He's a lunatic when it comes to that stuff and thinking about people's wallets, but he does one hell of a complete examination. People love him and since he's employed by us, all we ask is that he does the comprehensive exam and refraction, and give the patients their Rx.
If they have questions, he simply says "you should discuss that with one of the dispensing opticians."
This handoff obviously could be done differently and more $$$ if he was doing what others doctors do, but it's not always in the patients best interest and we're doing very well this way.
If they choose to get their glasses elsewhere they'll be measured by those opticians. So if they choose to go online, they can be measured by their optici...wait...oh they don't have any? Ok, well they haven't negotiated any salary with me to do their work, so I'll just tell the patient this.
Ask them why online? They'll usually reply $$ or convenience, but we carry products to meet that criteria and will certainly make them what they would have purchased online, only with our service.
Honestly we've only had 4-5 over two years but the topic does intrigue me.
The PD is a simple parlor trick in the service provided, they would be much better served by me suggesting the right combination of materials, coatings, and features. That's what really makes a good pair of lenses couple that with the right pair that fits their face and avoids having them look like Mr. Magoo, that's where the expertise comes into play. Hell I'll give the PD away if people will let me get a picture of what they end up with when they have had no guidance, it could be used as a PSA of avoiding the real crux of what I personally do.
Hey but if the majority of opticals are full of ruler jockeys, then by all means let's fight this online PD thing.
Smart-phone refract, Jack
Choose the RayBan, Stan
Onliners employ, Roy
Listen to me.
Add some more plus, Gus
You don't need an Rx much
Demand your p.d., Lee.
They'll take it for free.
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