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    your "best" A/R?

    What do you consider to be the best brand-name A/R?

    Super HiVision EX3, Crizal Avance, Crizal Sapphire?

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    We have never had a problem or return of the Crizal Avance. I haven't seen the value added for sapphire and haven't tried any others.

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    Crizal Avance is outstanding. Crizal Sapphire is great, too, but I don't sell it very often.

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    A question !

    In France we don't have these names for A/R, but Crizal Alizée+ and Crizal Forte.
    The principal difference is that the Forte resist better to the stripe.

    Is it the same in US ?

    The price difference is about +15%

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTC View Post
    A question !

    In France we don't have these names for A/R, but Crizal Alizée+ and Crizal Forte.
    The principal difference is that the Forte resist better to the stripe.

    Is it the same in US ?

    The price difference is about +15%

    http://www.crizal.com/EN/Pages/default.aspx


    crizal USA: http://www.crizalusa.com/Pages/default.aspx

    I just went on crizal USA and checked the "Find an Eyecare Professional" and my query was Naples, FL, New York, and Montreal and the response was .........................zero found


    :)
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    I've got Ex3 on two of my pairs, and I think it's great for me, but when I'm adjusting someones frame and cleaning them over and over, I feel that super hi-vision is more slippery and resists smudging better.

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    Ex3

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    Use pretty much nothing but Avance or one of our local labs "equivalent" which we don't have any problems with either.

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    Use Clarion XS, Crizal Alize, Avance. The essilor ARC tends to craze so I've started to use Zeiss Pure coat instead of Avance. Sucks that I cant combine Varilux lenses with Zeiss ARC.

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    I've had a few different crizal , and zeiss products, crizal is more marketing than innovation and quality (not saying its bad, just could be better), zeiss is pretty good, i have no complaints with it except it scratches just as easy as most others. What i have found that has impressed the hell out of me (not easy to do btw) is super hi-vision, the durability is phenomenal, the light admittance is top notch, and the super hydro coating is slicker than an oil covered ice rink. but if you like a little more slick with your willie, try i-coat.
    equal opportunity offender!!

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    I actually had a patient call yesterday to inquire about the Crizal commercial she saw and wanted to know more information. Educated the patient a little about it and invited her to stop in so I could show her in person what a difference it makes, then offered her 20% off a pair of glasses that cannot be used with insurance. She showed up about 2 hours later and bought 2 pairs of glasses, one clear and one polarized rx, both with non-glare on the lenses :bbg:

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    My favorite is iCoat's Stainless AR. Since I switched over totally to it, our AR problems have disappeared, except for the Crizal (flavor of the week until they bring out a new, super-er version) we use for VSP, they still craze more than any AR I've ever used.
    iCoat's Aura AR (what I now have on my pair) is as hard to scratch as Hoya's EX3, but so far it seems to be a bit slicker, which is my only complaint against EX3. I too also had great success with Super Hi Vision.
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    Crizal Avance by far the best. Very few problems/returns.

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    The Best AR is.....

    (ta-dah!)

    refractive surgery

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    super hi vision(Hoyas)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Santini View Post
    The Best AR is.....

    (ta-dah!)

    refractive surgery

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    Would, that it were so...........................Barry, take a good look at your own photo in your avatar...........those spectacles could look better I think!
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    Best I had was a Tefkon. But how do you know what you are getting now days? Trust the lab to say? HA!

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    Hey Berry.........refractive surgery?

    Oh my....then we are trading "Reflections" off a surface, that A/R coating does a very good job elevating for......TA DAAA "Night time GLARE" that refractive surgery does a very good job at.

    Decisions decisions......which is the lesser of the two evils?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcjilson View Post
    Would, that it were so...........................Barry, take a good look at your own photo in your avatar...........those spectacles could look better I think!
    It's not my specs that's the problem...It's me!

    Seriously...Well done *enhanced* PRK on a qualified candidate can deliver outstanding vision...even at night!

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    Barry I think you miss two other benefits of AR lenses. First and probably most important, your lenses transmit more light when treated. Untreated lenses reflect almost 10% of available light away from the lens.Secondly the benefit of AR lenses is cosmetic. Others can see your eyes, not reflections.
    Just my take! hj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Santini View Post
    The Best AR is.....

    (ta-dah!)

    refractive surgery

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    Agent provocateur or tongue-in-cheek?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Santini View Post
    It's not my specs that's the problem...It's me!

    Seriously...Well done *enhanced* PRK on a qualified candidate can deliver outstanding vision...even at night!

    B
    Uhhmmmm.....Could you qualify your statement with some facts, please.

    Also, expand on the words "enhanced" and "qualified" and the missing term.......temporarily.

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    Most house brand ARs are hydrophobic, oleophobic and is the best value when you look at the cost and quality.

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    Redhot Jumper how do you measure a " better smudging resistance ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by optilady1 View Post

    ......................................I feel that super hi-vision is more slippery and resists smudging better.

    Nothing personal, but in general, "how do you measure or feel and judge a slipperi-ness"

    and how do you measure a " better smudging resistance " ? (like if your finger has some grease on it "it's bad...........and if finger is clean and dry it's good ?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Nothing personal, but in general, "how do you measure or feel and judge a slipperi-ness"

    and how do you measure a " better smudging resistance " ? (like if your finger has some grease on it "it's bad...........and if finger is clean and dry it's good ?)
    I think an easier way to measure is ease of clean. Since we are cleaning hundreds of lenses a year, it is something that we are relatively exposed to.

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