HELP! Trying to narrow our progressive offerings

**canaanlilli** · 02-12-2010, 03:09 PM

Alright. Here's the deal. We had been using the HOYA Lifestyle ID (which I love and have had no pt non adapts on.) and ordering through our HOYA Lab in St. Louis. My bosses decided they wanted to use a local lab for two reasons;a)quicker turnaround and b)less expensive.
Problem is that the turn around time is no better since they have to outsource the Hoya lenses and this is causing a huge problem.
The main reason I like the Hoya lenses is the non adapt issue and the fact they are available in Trivex.
I am now being told by this lab that I can have the Essilor Accolade freedom in trivex with a quicker turn around. They are also telling me it is basically the same as the 360 designs.

Is this true? Anyone have a clue?

I'm a little weary, and leary, I can't wear the 360 and had issues with other patients when I put them in 360's, almost all of them did better in the Hoya lens.
What's the vote? Shall I give the accolade a chance?

Thanks!

**Jacqui** · 02-12-2010, 03:28 PM

I would stick with what you know best.

**DragonLensmanWV** · 02-12-2010, 03:29 PM

Sounds like your new lab is an Essilor partner.
Any lab can get jobs to you quickly and overnight shipping is nearly standard now.

**Mr. Finney** · 02-12-2010, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by canaanlilli

Alright. Here's the deal. We had been using the HOYA Lifestyle ID (which I love and have had no pt non adapts on.) and ordering through our HOYA Lab in St. Louis. My bosses decided they wanted to use a local lab for two reasons;a)quicker turnaround and b)less expensive.
Problem is that the turn around time is no better since they have to outsource the Hoya lenses and this is causing a huge problem.
The main reason I like the Hoya lenses is the non adapt issue and the fact they are available in Trivex.
I am now being told by this lab that I can have the Essilor Accolade freedom in trivex with a quicker turn around. They are also telling me it is basically the same as the 360 designs.

Is this true? Anyone have a clue?

I'm a little weary, and leary, I can't wear the 360 and had issues with other patients when I put them in 360's, almost all of them did better in the Hoya lens.
What's the vote? Shall I give the accolade a chance?

Thanks!

Are they truly less expensive through the new lab? Enough to warrant the extra processing time? If so, stick with the iD lenses. If they aren't, you'll be able to show your bosses the increased lab cost pretty soon and maybe they'll agree to switch back. Or you can point out that patient satisfaction is going down due to extended wait times (using the iD) or adaptation issues (new lab's offerings). Either way, if your bosses care about the service you provide their patients, they'll listen to your recommendations. Good luck!

**optical24/7** · 02-12-2010, 04:34 PM

You'll have zero problems with an Accolade Freedom. DS, atoric, add optimized back surface.

**optigrrl** · 02-13-2010, 01:19 AM

OK, I know I love (and work for) Hoya. BUT! I am a "touchy-feely" optician at heart. Get a voucher for this wonderful new accolade and ask your Hoya rep for a voucher and take the pepsi challenge. 2 frames, same. Both Rx's, PALS, measurements and materials - everything equal.

Try 'em out, post it here.

**optigrrl** · 02-13-2010, 01:20 AM

PS - ask Pete Hamlin: is 360 a design or a manufacturing process?

**braheem24** · 02-13-2010, 01:29 AM

You'll have zero problems with a lot of other manufacturers too.

**optigrrl** · 02-13-2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by braheem24

You'll have zero problems with a lot of other manufacturers too.

Agreed.

**sharpstick777** · 02-17-2010, 11:46 AM

The Seiko progressives are a very similar pattern to the Hoya's, they're both Japanese I guess. They have a very hourglass effective shape just like my ID's.

The ID's are best lenses on the market for managing trefoil in my opinion. So that when you turn your head the distortion is managed the best and you get a very consistant skew. However I find the distance clarity in the ID lacking (probably due to the same trefoil management). I get fuzzy just the tiniest bit off center. Seiko beats the ID in both straight on clarity and having a wider distance portion than the ID.

Where the Seiko's shine is that the distance clarity is better and wider than my single vision even in my low power. The weekness of the Seiko's is that in the WS version the reading is very wide, but its also harder than some other digital lenses. But you don't have to choose the WS if you don't want it.

I have been choosing my Seiko's lately over any of the other progressives I wear.

**sharpstick777** · 02-17-2010, 11:47 AM

PS:
With overnight shipping it really doesn't matter where you are located. I get uncut progressive lenses across the country with A/R in less than 24 hours.