Can I substitute the SI for a life 2? Need it to be photochromic.
Can I substitute the SI for a life 2? Need it to be photochromic.
Just did a back surface for someone he loved the lens then he wanted a photochromic pair as cheap as pos so I gave him prog si as it is on special offer and he preferred it!
I am pretty sure it wasnt the fitting!
The SI is not thought to substitute the Life 2, Life 2 beeing the better / newer design. However both originate off the same design line and have therefor related optical charcteristics so that a "substitution" will, in some cases, be tolerated. That the SI is perceived better than the Life 2 is not typical and could in this case also be caused by a better refraction or just a perfect spot on fitting job.
Georg Mayer
Rodenstock - Munich
its Rodenstock you can give the custemer anything it cant get any worse LOL, ill say change it to the Genesis lens from Shamir or the Genius fro Swisscoat, they are both a litle better and cost less.
best regards
Peter
just rub it in.......yes, we are flat on our face ..... again. But hey, how was Bill Clinton called, the Comeback Kid ?
You have no idea how difficult it was in a lot of markets to convince customers to let go of SI and Life 2 because they are such great products.
Have a good weekend.
Georg Mayer
Rodenstock Munich
You leave folks outside confused: Genius from Swisscoat and Genesis from Shamir are completly the same (as you obviously know).
In Germany the SI range is far cheaper then the lenses mentioned above, and I swear: SI outperforms EVERYTHING in its price range and even if you double the price there is not much which come close.
I use it since 2004 and NEVER had a non adapt.
Georg is too polite : This lens is a clear best buy.
Never substitute SI for Life2 as Life2 is a better design. Degradation of the product cause dissatisfaction of customer. SI is doing well in that price range. But Life2 is far better
Welcome to Optiboard majucalicut!:cheers:Originally Posted by majucalicut
Thanks for the replies- Optiboarders are the best!
As the patient was cost conscious and my Doc's contract with an Essilor Partner lab I used the highly scientific method of using the Progressive Magic 8 Ball (to be sold soon by FezzJohns Inc.) and went with an Ovation.
Yes I know this is not as good as the life 2 but cost trumped function as far as the patient was concerned. She is prepared to put up with less performance. If I remember I'll let you know what if any problems occurred.
Oh- My lab says the lens is being phased out as there are no plans to produce it after the current inventory is depleted.
Ya you right. The product life2 is being phased out.In India no life2 is available. Now they upgraded the product as "Purelife" and that is the trademark. In addition to the Life2 Purelife have Retina Focus Priciple and Wave front technology. Wave front technology is also used by Essilor in their product Physio 360.
you are right, but they are not promoting purelife either they are more interested in ILD their FF PAL its in 1.6 index and costs less than purelife.
i love ILD :cheers:
Hi Georg Mayer
Does rodenstock have any future plan in terms of improvising their colormatic products? My shop dispense nearl;y 80% of those lenses, including impression mono cm and impression colormatic. The only complaint I have would be their darkening power. It doesnt get dark as competitors. Any plans to pair up with transitions perhaps? Just a curiosity
iff you sell that much colormatich, ill advice you to use Shamir essilor or Zeiss they all use Transtions wich are so much better than everything else.
best regards
Peter
If George isn't going to defend Rodenstock then I will. Lots of my customers use Rodenstock lenses, and we rarely have any issues with them. I think you need a new lab Mr. Powers. The Classic Life (new Life 2), Myview and Purelife are newer products from Rodenstock, and I have had no problems with those either. The impression ILT is one of the best freeforms on the market, although I would add that the turnover on it is a little slow because it is only surfaced in Germany, but I always tell my customer quality takes time, right :). I think there are many great lens companies out there, but I see no need to trash one company because you don't use their lenses.
Hi Jason, thanks for helping out during me being off-line.
Our philosophy was always consistency of color (during darkening and particularly during fading) and durability of dyes (dyes within lens material). However we will soon have an improved Colormatic (normal index) being released end 2010 / beginning 2011.
Besides this we also offer a "tropical" Colormatic, which was developed to work very well (i.e. go very dark) in higher ambient tempereatures, which might be the case in your location. I would recommend you contact Yantri Waldi (sales Asia), or our agent in Indonesia (Timur Raya) for details and availability. Pls. send me a PM if you need their contact details.
Best regards
Georg Mayer
Rodenstock-Munich
Sorry Rodenstock for my harss words.
but still transitions are great.
best regards
Peter
Transition are great... BUT: What do you sell when Transitions are just to dark espcially when it`s cold outside???
And: Do we want only one technique? Is it wise when one supplier rules everything?
I like to have a choice
Hoya Suntech, but i nerver meet the problem.
best regards
Peter
Transitions answer to their lenses getting too dark was to introduce 'Transitions Light'. Not as dark outside and much quicker fade back time than Tran. VI. Only available in France and Japan so far tho from what I've heard.
Thank you, KITT.
Never heard of Transitions light, but I think this would be an interesting additional product...
As I said I can only remember folks complaining about to dark and not to light...
Hi Jan
Good news for you, I hear Transitions Light lenses may soon be available in Germany. They are only available in Essilor SV 1.6 & Physio 1.6 for the moment tho. You should contact your local Essilor group in a month or 2 regarding availability as it sounds like they might be a good photochromic for you.
Hi Georg,
Yes I haave also been informed by the Rodenstock product specialist in Timur Raya that there will be newly designed product launch for colormatic. They call it "Summer colormatic", I hope this is the same as the one you mentioned.
I suppose different areas have different requirements in terms of darkening power with photochromic lens. Yes in tropical season like myself in Indonesia, people do prefer to have dark lenses when they're outside, imagine when you're having a summer time condition almost all year long, then dark lens would be preferable. I have lived in the east coast US for quite some time in the past and understand why the complaint for most people during winter is the lens are way too dark. It's all valid, now depending on where the market is and whether we can accomodate the customers need or not. It's OK for rodenstock to be not too dark in tropical season like here, it's just the market is gonna get eaten up by essilor transitions, that's a guaranteed fact.
My company have been dealing with rodenstock for 2 generations, so no matter what Im sticking with it. Speaking of quality and service is always superb. It's just recently that Im shifting my market towards photochromic, because that's what I firmly believe where all future lens should be.. Just like from standard addition progressive will eventually shift to freeform technilogy.
Best
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