"The optics on Poly are just SOOO much better than plastic!"

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[partyoptician]

The evil empire moniters this site. Be careful.
Signed,
EX LUX and lovin it!

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[Chris Ryser]

"The optics on poly are just SOOO much better than plastic!"

I assume that if you work at a LC store in a non regulated state, and your colleagues have no longtime experience and not the best temporary training this can happen.

Customers are exposed to newcomer sales people who do not know what they are talking about because there is no requirement to prove your basic knowledge int the field.

This is funny, or sad on the other hand, that in a world with so much progress in techniques the end person in the delivery chain is allowed to be a novice.

[EyeFitWell]

This is funny, or sad on the other hand, that in a world with so much progress in techniques the end person in the delivery chain is allowed to be a novice.

AMEN to that!!! :hammer:

Is there a point to this thread other than boss bashing?

When I took the LC training a few years ago, I have to say it was the most effective, comprehensive, and accurate training I'd recieved up to that point. Before LC, all my true learning came from self study and asking so many questions my boss wanted to explode! lol I'm not exactly saying the training is top notch (or unbiased toward poly), but it's a heck of a lot better than what I got from several mom&pops before that.

[Barry Santini]

Honestly,

I would take *poly* Contour Optics SV lenses over *any* CR 39 lens of the same width, ever made.

Much Better Optics!

Barry

[Happylady]

So, how do you handle it when you hear these things? Do you try to nicely inform them? Do you just blow them off?

[tigerlilly]

How does a poly aspheric compare to CR-39? Hmm, now I'm going to have to do a board search, 'cause I really don't remember...

[ilanh]

Honestly, I don't know what spectralite is either. I've owned my own optical store for 8 years and have never ever put in an order for spectralite. Therefore, I too would qualify for a boss bashing.

[k12311997]

Honestly, I don't know what spectralite is either. I've owned my own optical store for 8 years and have never ever put in an order for spectralite. Therefore, I too would qualify for a boss bashing.

1.54 Index Aspheric.

ps back in the day this was LCs "Best" material offering, I don't know if they have graduated to using higher indexes or not.

[Crazy-bout-Optics]

Yes, LC does stock 1.67 with A/R lenses though we only stock about -6 to -9 up to about a -1.25 cyl. To my knowledge this is the highest index we can get. We used to be able to order in some lenses from Zeiss, but about a month ago (Give or take) Corporate decided to stop ordering from Zeiss for "Quality control" IE it was costing too much to order from Zeiss. They figured our CL could process them and have a tighter control on the quality. I guess those Zeiss lenses were just crap after all!! :hammer:

~Crazy

[Chris Ryser]

I guess those Zeiss lenses were just crap after all!! :hammer:

I have never seen any crap in lenses either produced or sold by Zeiss, They have never been the cheapest but the quality was always there. :finger:

[hcjilson]

Honestly, I don't know what spectralite is either. I've owned my own optical store for 8 years and have never ever put in an order for spectralite. Therefore, I too would qualify for a boss bashing.

If memory serves, spectralite is a registered trade mark of Sola. When introduced years back, it was a superior product. Today there are better products in some areas. I've cut and pasted what follows from a Sola website.

The unbeatable benefits of

• Thin - 25% thinner than plastic lenses and comparable to other high index.
• Flat - All Spectralite lenses have a flattened aspheric design so lenses bulge less and look better in frames. They're up to 50% flatter than spherical plastic lenses and 35% flatter than spherical high index.
• Light - Spectralite's inherently low material density creates lenses up to 13% lighter than other high index, offering maximum comfort.
• Superior Optics - Spectralite lenses have the highest Abbe value (47) of any high index, including all 1.56 high index Transitions III lenses (35). Spectralite's high Abbe value ensures optics comparable to plastic, so wearers experience minimal chromatic aberration.

Built-in Benefits

• 100% UVA and UVB protection
• Perma-Gard scratch coating
• Exclusive 90-day patient satisfaction guarantee
• Meets FDA impact requirements, so lenses can be processed with confidence at 1.5mm center thickness

[chip anderson]

I also found that with Spectralite the scratch coat was guaranteed to peal in 11 months.

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[Crazy-bout-Optics]

I have never seen any crap in lenses either produced or sold by Zeiss, They have never been the cheapest but the quality was always there. :finger:

I guess my tongue-in-cheek comment went over your head Chris.

I *LOVED* ordering from Zeiss and I am sorry that Lux has closed our accounts. I was just finding the humor that Lux told us they were closing our Zeiss account since they, (Lux), would have better quality control over lenses than if we ordered from Zeiss. After looking at some of the jobs that come out of our (LC) Lab, I just scratch my head about their "Quality Control" statement. I have ordered from Zeiss both at LC and in Private practice and have never had any issues with their lenses.

So Chris you might just want to re-read the original post and think about what was *Really* being said before you decide to chide a member with one of these ---> :finger:

~Crazy

[Crazy-bout-Optics]

LC can get 1.74 high index with AR and Scotchgard.

I did not know this. My store does not have a lab on site per se, and from the retail end the highest I have seen is the Superview 1.67. I would be interested in knowing how you order in 1.74. Does your Lab somehow edit the order, or is 1.74 an option in your drop down on Eyenet? Feel free to PM me if you would like.

Thanks,

~Crazy

[DragonLensmanWV]

If memory serves, spectralite is a registered trade mark of Sola. When introduced years back, it was a superior product. Today there are better products in some areas. I've cut and pasted what follows from a Sola website.

The unbeatable benefits of

• Thin - 25% thinner than plastic lenses and comparable to other high index.
• Flat - All Spectralite lenses have a flattened aspheric design so lenses bulge less and look better in frames. They're up to 50% flatter than spherical plastic lenses and 35% flatter than spherical high index.
• Light - Spectralite's inherently low material density creates lenses up to 13% lighter than other high index, offering maximum comfort.
• Superior Optics - Spectralite lenses have the highest Abbe value (47) of any high index, including all 1.56 high index Transitions III lenses (35). Spectralite's high Abbe value ensures optics comparable to plastic, so wearers experience minimal chromatic aberration.

Built-in Benefits

• 100% UVA and UVB protection
• Perma-Gard scratch coating
• Exclusive 90-day patient satisfaction guarantee
• Meets FDA impact requirements, so lenses can be processed with confidence at 1.5mm center thickness

Yeah, for it's time Spectralite was a pretty viable option. Even I wore it because though I could get thinner lenses, the quality of the vision was more important to me. We had a few problems surfacing it, like the flatter back curves were harder to do without getting waves,and the coating changed to a harder,slicker coating but stuck to the tape less so we'd have tape failures at +7 BC and above. No problems with mnus powers.

[Johns]

I assume that if you work at a LC store in a non regulated state, and your colleagues have no longtime experience and not the best temporary training this can happen.

I had the opportunity to travel to an unregulated state this weekend, for the purpose of interviewing applicants for an office I was contemplating on buying.

All I can say is WOW! I met the whole spectrum of folks, and they all considered themselves highly competent opticians. One of the applicants (I didn't interview her) had last worked in the field in 1998, for 9 months, and since had worked in various day care facilities watching toddlers. Her resume stated:

"I have much experience working with the public, and really enjoy measuring, fixing, and selling glasses. I think I am uniquely qualified for the position of optical manager, and look forward to meeting you."

It is pretty scary to think that these folks can be hired, and the next day, they are running an optical.

It was also very refreshing however, to meet many opticians that are trying by every means available, to distance themselves from the rest of the pack and take as many courses, and gain as many certifications as possible.

There still may be hope...

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[HarryChiling]

I had the opportunity to travel to an unregulated state this weekend, for the purpose of interviewing applicants for an office I was contemplating on buying.

All I can say is WOW! I met the whole spectrum of folks, and they all considered themselves highly competent opticians. One of the applicants (I didn't interview her) had last worked in the field in 1998, for 9 months, and since had worked in various day care facilities watching toddlers. Her resume stated:

"I have much experience working with the public, and really enjoy measuring, fixing, and selling glasses. I think I am uniquely qualified for the position of optical manager, and look forward to meeting you."

It is pretty scary to think that these folks can be hired, and the next day, they are running an optical.

It was also very refreshing however, to meet many opticians that are trying by every means available, to distance themselves from the rest of the pack and take as many courses, and gain as many certifications as possible.

There still may be hope...

What state brother?

[FVCCHRIS]

I thought that was that low-calorie version of Fezz's full bodied home-brew....?:cheers:

[Johns]

What state brother?

Follow the Yellow Brick Road, and you'll see Laura's house.;)

[Leo Hadley Jr]

I had the opportunity to travel to an unregulated state this weekend, for the purpose of interviewing applicants for an office I was contemplating on buying.

All I can say is WOW! I met the whole spectrum of folks, and they all considered themselves highly competent opticians. One of the applicants (I didn't interview her) had last worked in the field in 1998, for 9 months, and since had worked in various day care facilities watching toddlers. Her resume stated:

"I have much experience working with the public, and really enjoy measuring, fixing, and selling glasses. I think I am uniquely qualified for the position of optical manager, and look forward to meeting you."

It is pretty scary to think that these folks can be hired, and the next day, they are running an optical.

It was also very refreshing however, to meet many opticians that are trying by every means available, to distance themselves from the rest of the pack and take as many courses, and gain as many certifications as possible.

There still may be hope...

When I was in a non licensed state at a retail superstore, most of our employees were hired from down the mall at Applebees. I must admit, they were great greeters and smiled a lot, but they were lacking greatly in optical knowledge. "not their fault" They were thrown into the lions den.

That being said, the two best opticians I have ever worked with in 24 years were ABOM in a non licensed state. That gave me a lot of hope.