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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacqui View Post
    ???
    I added to my post #4 in this thread some of the examples of rx's and patient comments I'm getting when I put them into or switch them to Autographs.

    I now realize I should just add another post.:hammer:

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    Indo

    I use Digital Eye Lab in Hawthorne, NY for Indo products. The lens apparently starts out as a single vision blank and with freeform technology, the lens design and Rx is translated to the back side of the lens. The lab also has a high grade proprietary AR, Claris HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    Hey Jerry,

    Is Luzerne doing any *free-form* in house? If so, what designs are you producing?
    Luzerne scheduled to produce in November. Selling all the brands already at great prices and selling more freeform per day than most who already produce in-house.

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    What are they saying...

    More experiences---
    First time progressive monocular (blind OD) OS only mild rx into Auto Variable Transition Poly "No problem".

    Panamic poly mild hyperope change to Auto 2 Poly "These feel great!".
    Last edited by Uncle Fester; 10-02-2008 at 10:35 AM. Reason: tweak specific lens type...

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    You should consider Digital Eye Lab (www.digitaleyelab.com), a division of Optical Distributor Group. 100% dedicated free form lab. Shamir, Seiko, and Indo. In house AR and edging. 48 hour turn time!

    Sorry, i sound a little bias!

    By the way, this is a great forum!

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    Post optotech softwae

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    Barry's got me thinking. I have been contemplating diving into the freeform progressive lenses. I've been knocking it around for over a year. But my criteria are tough. For example, I will only offer freeform to my patients if transitions is available because often transitions is the last thing mentioned and I don't want to have to tell them "sorry, not available".
    So I would like the massive brainpower of the board to help - If you would be so kind.

    Here are my criteria:
    1. as mentioned, must be available in Transitions
    2. must be able to fit as low as 15mm (I'm not going to try a 13mm fit, even if it's possible)
    2. must be available in poly, Trivex, 1.60 and at least one of the high-index materials from 1.66 to 1.74. CR-39 availability is of no value to me.
    3. must be a design that someone has had good luck with
    4. must have turn-around time (w/AR) of one-week or less
    5. THis is the most important: I must be able to turn a profit at an $80 add-on charge for the "Freeform" processed lens. And I get my traditionally surfaced lenses pretty inexpensively.

    Is there anything even out there? Maybe I need 2 go-to lenses for these criteria. My short list includes Accolade freedom (no trivex:( and no personal experience), Definity, Unique, Autograph II (no experience, is cost an issue?), Hoya iD lifestyle (too expensive??), Seiko/pentax internal (Succeed? Superceed? I don't even know the proper name). I noticed Craig loves the Indo product, but I can't find a lab that even offers it.

    I love the combined knowledge and experience of the board, so you are my go-to guys and gals for this type experimental data.

    Since this is public, you can PM me with specifics on pricing or any negative comments.

    Thanks in advance!!
    Marc
    we are using optotech disigne germany for One year and we are running very well we sell to thye hole TUNISIA and no return lens or in adaptation.
    the OPTOTECH machine can make the TRIVEX, transition what ever you want..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    Barry's got me thinking. I have been contemplating diving into the freeform progressive lenses. I've been knocking it around for over a year. But my criteria are tough. For example, I will only offer freeform to my patients if transitions is available because often transitions is the last thing mentioned and I don't want to have to tell them "sorry, not available".
    So I would like the massive brainpower of the board to help - If you would be so kind.

    Here are my criteria:
    1. as mentioned, must be available in Transitions
    2. must be able to fit as low as 15mm (I'm not going to try a 13mm fit, even if it's possible)
    2. must be available in poly, Trivex, 1.60 and at least one of the high-index materials from 1.66 to 1.74. CR-39 availability is of no value to me.
    3. must be a design that someone has had good luck with
    4. must have turn-around time (w/AR) of one-week or less
    5. THis is the most important: I must be able to turn a profit at an $80 add-on charge for the "Freeform" processed lens. And I get my traditionally surfaced lenses pretty inexpensively.

    Is there anything even out there? Maybe I need 2 go-to lenses for these criteria. My short list includes Accolade freedom (no trivex:( and no personal experience), Definity, Unique, Autograph II (no experience, is cost an issue?), Hoya iD lifestyle (too expensive??), Seiko/pentax internal (Succeed? Superceed? I don't even know the proper name). I noticed Craig loves the Indo product, but I can't find a lab that even offers it.

    I love the combined knowledge and experience of the board, so you are my go-to guys and gals for this type experimental data.

    Since this is public, you can PM me with specifics on pricing or any negative comments.

    Thanks in advance!!
    Marc

    Calligraphy have all the materials, see www.profitoptix.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by csiopticians View Post
    Calligraphy have all the materials, see www.profitoptix.com
    No poly (not a huge issue)
    No Trivex (that's a bigger issue)
    No 1.60 Trans. (That's a small issue too)
    Uncut only
    Price wasn't what I thought would be competitive
    No experience with the AR

    Anyone want to add anything

    Thanks for your response, Dr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    No poly (not a huge issue)
    No Trivex (that's a bigger issue)
    No 1.60 Trans. (That's a small issue too)
    Uncut only
    Price wasn't what I thought would be competitive
    No experience with the AR

    Anyone want to add anything

    Thanks for your response, Dr.
    See www.iltoptics.com

    They have
    Calligraphy R3 (Trivex)
    Calligraphy 1.6 Transitions
    Bravo 1.6 Transitions
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    I have had many sucess stories with the Auto 11. My husband says it is the best ever!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvbirt View Post
    I have had many sucess stories with the Auto 11. My husband says it is the best ever!!!!!
    I have them too, and luv them.

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    Thanks to Jubille and Jacqui for mentioning us. We have recently lowered our pricing on our Autograph pricing since we produce it in house. If anyone needs pricing on it let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcE View Post
    Here is what I learned from this forum and others on Optiboard:


    Auto II - available in what I need. Not much profit margin on any of these.
    iCoat has strengthened our partnership with Shamir. In so doing, we have actually LOWERED our Auto II prices! iCoat is the only major AR coater that can apply a top tier AR to all Shamir products. This is the wrong forum to mention prices but let's say that MarcE will be able to turn a great profit on his Freeform markup! PM me if you would like more info.
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    which machine is it the best in the world for freeform tecnology?

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    Can this be moved...

    Quote Originally Posted by soniman View Post
    which machine is it the best in the world for freeform technology?
    This should be a new thread imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soniman View Post
    which machine is it the best in the world for freeform tecnology?
    You're going to get about 6 different answers to this question and all of them are good.

    :cheers:

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    I am searching these machines but everybody tell different things someone loh or seiko etc.

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    Freeform machines

    You mention Loh or Seiko but Seiko does not make the machines. Loh does make machines, while Seiko offers lens designs.

    The machines Schneider and Satis Loh and Opto-Tech are the 3 most widely used worldwide and are all successfully producing lens designs from different manufacturers.

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    freeform

    We tryed satis and also optotech
    satis is good for power range
    optotech is good for quality of the surface
    with the satis until, now (more then 2 years) we can not make a good trivex lenses but with optotech we make a very nice trivex surface also for the POLY

    if we sill by another one it will be OPTOTECH
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    Digital Eye Lab

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    This is our fully automated spectacle lens laboratory 100% focused on the fabrication of Freeform® Digitally surfaced backside PALs and single vision lenses. Every lens is engineered to account for the minutest variations in prescription, face measurements and frame measurements. This results in eye wear truly personalized to your patients’ needs and lifestyle. To ensure that orders aren’t delayed, all finishing services including: edging, drill mounting, tinting, and applying the most advanced AR coating, ClarisHD, are done in-house; the turn around time is approximately 3 days
    The Widest Selection of Materials & Designs from Shamir, Seiko, Indo, and Digital 5.0 with pricing that can help you increase your profit margins!
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    THe New Autograf Plus

    you can get it in 14-16-18 mm progression

    in my book this lens is amazing ( im to lazy to measure out for Auto II and i dont think the custemers can tell the difference)


    best regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Powers View Post
    you can get it in 14-16-18 mm progression

    in my book this lens is amazing ( im to lazy to measure out for Auto II and i dont think the custemers can tell the difference)


    best regards

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    The largest difference between the new Autograph Plus and Autograph II is the design- and power compensation in Auto II. It really give a noticeable difference for the user.

    But the new Autograph Plus do make a large improvement from the previus Autograph and put this product in a a whole new liga for standardized freeform lenses.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryR View Post
    Hi Patsy, welcome!!!
    As stated on another post I am affiliated with Luzerne Optical Laboratories, they are an authorized laboratory for all of the lenses mentioned in your post respones as well as having in-house AR for both Essilor Crizal coatings and Zeiss Carat coatings amongst others.
    Fantastic Lab. I use them exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCP View Post
    The largest difference between the new Autograph Plus and Autograph II is the design- and power compensation in Auto II. It really give a noticeable difference for the user.

    But the new Autograph Plus do make a large improvement from the previus Autograph and put this product in a a whole new liga for standardized freeform lenses.

    Mike
    Maybe like the Rodenstock Hyperop? I suspect that the Auto 2 is optimized more for myopes, and not so much for hyperopes, especially the moderate to strong plus wearer. I'm a moderate myope, and can not directly experience what a stronger hyperope experiences when wearing PALs. Any information you have would be welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Martellaro View Post
    Maybe like the Rodenstock Hyperop? I suspect that the Auto 2 is optimized more for myopes, and not so much for hyperopes, especially the moderate to strong plus wearer. I'm a moderate myope, and can not directly experience what a stronger hyperope experiences when wearing PALs. Any information you have would be welcome.
    The Auto Plus is quite new here (it´s been named Spectrum as well) so my knowledge to this product is reduced. The Auto Plus is a new generation of the previus Auto Classic. The Auto Classic was build on the Genesis platform thus it´s much better than this. The Auto Plus is build on the Creation platform. It has been improved even more so what you get, compared to the previus Auto, is flatter base curves, lower astigmatic abberations, softer design, better distance and intermedia, three different zone lenghts (14, 16 & 18). What you NOT get, compared to Auto II, is design and Pow compensating that brings you even more clear vision, and noticeable better intermedia.

    We still dont have any experience with this new lens so I will get back to that as soon we have some customer feedback.

    Mike

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