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    You know how easy it would be to compare a companies FF offering to their traditional front side progressive blank with a table of values showing which powers would benefit the most from the FF in their line of products. I think drk even mentioned that one manufacturer had a color coded chart in thier literature, too bad we can't quantify the difference beyond red, yellow, green, and blue. Make no mistake the manufacturers are pretty much correct inthe fact that most would not understand how to utilize these figures so they use what we learned in elementary school LCD or Least Common Denominator. That means all of us get to be treated like the dumbest of us.
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    Redhot Jumper i won 't.......................

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    I don't really think its fair to judge someone because of their nomme de plume, although why someone would choose a name that's a turn off is beyond me.

    Yeah ok , but , I used to enjoy a 12 grain bagel with strawberry cream cheese at Tim Hortons in the morning ..... I don't anymore .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I think Craig will suggest Unique. I actually kicked that around, but am unsure of the AR warranties and durability.
    We have had nothing but great results and quick turn times on Kodak CleAR and Kodak Clean and CleAR from Signet Armorlite's Signetek laboratory in CA. They do a lot of lab to lab work.

    Great quality product.

    -Adam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry Optical View Post
    We have had nothing but great results and quick turn times on Kodak CleAR and Kodak Clean and CleAR from Signet Armorlite's Signetek laboratory in CA. They do a lot of lab to lab work.

    Great quality product.

    -Adam
    Thanks for the input Adam!

    :cheers::cheers::cheers:

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    Quote Originally Posted by beagleman View Post
    I'm a teaching optician at one of our major optometry schools. There are varying schools of thought amongst our staff of opticians regarding your dilemma. Some feel that if Varilux is working, keep the patient in it. I am of the school that if there is a better lens on the market, our patients deserve the best. I have switched dozens of Varilux Comfort wearers to the Kodak Unique and they all love it right from the dispense. I'm sure similar results with the Hoya digital lens. If you drove a 1995 Toyota Camry to the dealer to buy a new car, would you expect to buy another 1995 Camry? Wouldn't your prefer a 2009 car with all its improvements? The Physio 360, as far as I can tell, is a renamed Panamic, still front side molded technology, and digital surfacing back side. None of our staff like it, so we don't dispense it. I tried it, it looks clear, but I get a headache. Patients who tried it have similar comments.
    thanks beagleman ...i have tried hoya's summit pro switched few patients reluctantly but it worked ,summit pro had no WOW factor but created no trouble either now i am keen on dispensing hoya's ID and kodak's unique is also available so i would love to try that too.

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    Jai kudo wideview

    This is a genuine free-form back-surfaced progressive. The price point is VERY reasonable, starts at <whole price removed>. And is available in CR-39, Hi-index up to 1.74, Transitions, Polarized & Drivewear.

    If you want more information you can email or message me.

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    As per the forums rules, please do not post wholesale prices. Thank you.


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    Confused How is 1.74 in US without Essilor blessing?

    Quote Originally Posted by AMBERPOG View Post
    This is a genuine free-form back-surfaced progressive. The price point is VERY reasonable, starts at <whole price removed>. And is available in CR-39, Hi-index up to 1.74, Transitions, Polarized & Drivewear.

    If you want more information you can email or message me.
    Sounds good to me. What equipment are you using to surface the lenses and what center thickness are you getting on a minus lens?

    I will try some of the 1.74; no one else has a free form version in the US.

    Craig

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    Craig,

    The HOYAlux iD is available in HOYA's 1.70 material. This is generally ground to a 1.0 CT.

    JB

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    Wow!!!

    I have dispensed a few Shamir Autograph II's and Seiko Succeeds in the last few weeks!

    I am finally getting the "WOW" factor!

    The most "WOW" is from the Autograph II!

    "Wow....these lens engravings are annoying!"
    "Wow....why did they make those marks so big?"
    "Wow......I never noticed those marks on my old progressives!"
    "Wow..........why are these lenses scratched..oh wait...it looks like the Egyptians marked these up..oh wow!


    UGH!!!!!

    ;):cheers::cheers::shiner:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I have dispensed a few Shamir Autograph II's and Seiko Succeeds in the last few weeks!

    I am finally getting the "WOW" factor!

    The most "WOW" is from the Autograph II!

    "Wow....these lens engravings are annoying!"
    "Wow....why did they make those marks so big?"
    "Wow......I never noticed those marks on my old progressives!"
    "Wow..........why are these lenses scratched..oh wait...it looks like the Egyptians marked these up..oh wow!


    UGH!!!!!

    ;):cheers::cheers::shiner:
    Brother Fezz....

    You seem to not be approaching this in the spirit of progress. You have chosen the correct lens, but you have chose the wrong type of customers!

    Most of our customers that drive Jaguars don't care that they are outperformed by Toyota Camry (even the '95 model) in terms of reliability, mileage, trunk space, and headroom. After all, they can afford to drive a Jaguar, and they tend to ignore the some of the discomforts.

    You need to change your approach, as well as your attitude towards these remarkable products. And if you really are looking for the "WOW!" factor at dispensing. Instead of using traditional reading cards, try using a brochure from the "Tanned Isle Nudist Resort". Works like a charm!
    :cheers:
    Good luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I have dispensed a few Shamir Autograph II's and Seiko Succeeds in the last few weeks!

    I am finally getting the "WOW" factor!

    The most "WOW" is from the Autograph II!

    "Wow....these lens engravings are annoying!"
    "Wow....why did they make those marks so big?"
    "Wow......I never noticed those marks on my old progressives!"
    "Wow..........why are these lenses scratched..oh wait...it looks like the Egyptians marked these up..oh wow!


    UGH!!!!!

    ;):cheers::cheers::shiner:
    Hilarious...
    but seriously, are they that noticable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLG View Post
    Hilarious...
    but seriously, are they that noticable?

    OOOOOHHHHH YEEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!

    They make the Younger Image markings look like......nothing!

    I am talking BILLBOARDS!!!


    UGH!!!

    :shiner::cheers::cheers::D

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    Fezz is right.....

    These markings can be much more noticeable than any markings I have ever seen. With that being said, I know for a fact, the labs that actually surface the Autograph 2's, can adjust the engraving device to make the markings less noticiable (same as other PALs).
    I have a pair of Autograph 2 lenses and I can hardly find the markings.




    ps. I absolutely love my lenses!
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    Thanks for supporting my observations Lee!

    I am rather gun-shy to sell these lenses! Honestly, I have a pair that I checked in today.....that I feared calling the patient!!! I am DEAD serious....these markings are like BILLBOARDS!!!!!!

    My thoughts..........

    Holy smokes....if these markings are so noticeable.....why do I sweat, worry, get a sour belly over, hairline scratches, pits, flaws, etc., that I sometimes bounce at final inspection!!!!

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    Thanks Fezz for bringing it on the free form topics. Still a very confusing arena out there. I realize this is an older post, but the same challenges exist for us as dispensers. We end up going backwards if a pt is unhappy and demands their old design and to be refunded the difference. That happened in our practice many times with the Shamir lenses. We have had great success with the Unique and Seiko free forms so far. Good topic still for today as the market is flooded with different ways to spin this technology.

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    Does anyone remember the Varilux Plus ( I believe that is the lens I'm thinking about, but at my age, who knows )? Talk about billboards, you could see the engravings across the room. Essilor said it took 80D's of accomodation for the patient to see, which may have been correct. They just didn't factor in the patients family and friends who could see them.

    Randle

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