Which lens should I recommend to my friend?

[Happylady]

I have a friend that has Davis Insurance but her coverage is awesome. She has no copay and everything is covered. Her last two pairs of lenses have been Varilux Panamic. She wants more reading and intermediate, though. She never wore glasses till 3 years ago and still has almost no distance correction. She wants progressives because she wants to see distance clearly also. And no, she doesn't want bifocals.

She has a very slim face and can't wear a large frame. Suggestions I can make for her? I was considering the following; Sola Max for it's great intermediate and near. However, the distance is not the best. Sola One and Varilux Physio are maybes. Also the Shamir Piccollo, though I am not sure if I can get Shamir with Davis. Maybe someone knows?

Ideas? Suggestions?

[For-Life]

What about the Gradal Top 2? The GT always had a good intermediate.

[Happylady]

What about the Gradal Top 2? The GT always had a good intermediate.

I've never used this lens. What is the fitting height? How is the near? I have worn the GT myself and didn't like the long corridor it had. I felt the reading was too low.

[For-Life]

I've never used this lens. What is the fitting height? How is the near? I have worn the GT myself and didn't like the long corridor it had. I felt the reading was too low.

17mm


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[Fezz]

Ice-Tech? Zeiss GT2, Shamir Genesis, Younger Image!



Does she have limitations thru Davis or not? You say everything is covered?

[Jubilee]

Davis doesn't use any of the Shamir Products.

I just dispensed my first GT2 and granted this guy hadn't worn PALs in a long time, but he noticed significant distortion looking anywhere but straight center. He noticed a substantial axis shift to the point of when looking 5 mm from center, the image rotated about 15 degrees.

I didn't see any waves looking with both my naked eye, and using a lensometer through the verification circle.. and it was noticed on both sides.

Poly lens, but he has always worn poly....

I personally would consider the SolaOne. Especially knowing how happy you were with that lens.

Cassandra

[Happylady]

I did like the Sola One. One reason I orginally fit her with Panamic was that I wanted to give her a good AR and Crizal was the only good one they offered. Now they offer Carat which I can get on Sola One. I would rather have Teflon but it isn't offered.

[rinselberg]

I have a friend that has Davis Insurance but her coverage is awesome. She has no copay and everything is covered ...

Well, if everything is covered ...

Respecting my amateur status, as someone from only a related field, I hope this won't seem out of place, but would you be able to get SOLAOne with the Zeiss Carat Advantage AR - and would that be the clear choice, as the "most premium" of the Zeiss coatings options ..? That (Carat Advantage) would be finished with what they (Zeiss) regard as their most durable, dirt resistant and easiest cleaning topcoat ***

As for Teflon ..? But I don't see why you wouldn't want to "pull out all the stops" with the Zeiss Carat Advantage treatment. It was the next thing after Carat. Would your lab also offer Carat Advantage as an option instead of the original Carat AR?

If that (Carat Advantage) is what you truly were saying - OK. I'm trying to understand more about the way that new products percolate through the various optical labs and how one patient's options may depend on which particular lab or labs that his (her) selected optician is able to use.


*** Based only on my reading of forum posts, online trade mags, manufacturer's websites and the like.

[Chul]

I recommend SolaOne for her new PAL.

SolaOne has wider intermediate and near with soft periphery.

[suwit]

No any PALs in the world have all best

i recommend Varilux Physio (semifinish blank)
'cos
long distance Physio similar to Panamic
intermediate are the widest in Pals i ever see in other
near that close to Panamic

it's compromise in what she want

[optial]

If you stick to the Varilux line I would go with the Physio 360. I have used this lens many times with good success.
If the frame is smaller - shorter seg- I would go with the Shamir Piccolo. The Piccolo has worked well with segs in the 17mm range, much better than the Essilor Ovation.

[Happylady]

If you stick to the Varilux line I would go with the Physio 360. I have used this lens many times with good success.
If the frame is smaller - shorter seg- I would go with the Shamir Piccolo. The Piccolo has worked well with segs in the 17mm range, much better than the Essilor Ovation.

I know I can get Physio but not sure about the 360, I'll have to check. I don't think I can get the Piccolo but that would be a good choice.

[Jubilee]

Nope.. No 360. Only regular Physio.

The recently put up the Ovation small fit, though Ellipse is already part of the select lenses as well.

And yes, we do way too much Davis for me to have the lens selections basically memorized....


Cassandra

[mbopt]

Since this fall, I personally have been wearing the GT2 (poly/Teflon A/R), the ECP w/SuperHi A/R and the Physio (1.67) and Alize w/CG. I've been the "offical" tester of these different PALs in our office. I have no problems moving between the different glasses (you know, have to match what I'm wearing w/my glasses!!), but I only wear a +1.25 add.

Did you say what her add was?

[Bobie]

Happy new year 2007 Happylady ,
Varilux Panamic and Varilux Physio have total difference design. Be sure that you inform your friend about adaptation period.

Varilux Physio has much better quality of vision at all distance , but Varilux Panamic has better comfort of vision.

In case of anisometropia over 1.00D , Varilux Physio will be totally better than Varilux Panamic.

Hope this will help you , Happylady ( The cutest girl I have ever seen on webboard ) :cheers:

Let me know if you come to visit Thailand, our club will offer 10 beers for you , Happylady.

[blackbirdy4444]

just about anything would be better than a panamic. you can't go wrong with the GT-2... HOYA ECP... if money is no object the HOYA ID is the best of the best right now.

[mike.elmes]

Many great suggestions for some clearly better progressives, however as always, the hight is the ultimate determination for what lens is used. Frame choice first, hight measurement second, lens choice last.

[blackbirdy4444]

actually, with the HOYA ID, you don't have to worry about height. It has a minimum of 14, but if you order a lens at 20, they supply an ID best suited for that height. a much better system than confusing people with parameters regarding height.

[rdcoach5]

actually, with the HOYA ID, you don't have to worry about height. It has a minimum of 14, but if you order a lens at 20, they supply an ID best suited for that height. a much better system than confusing people with parameters regarding height.

Have you tried the Kodak Unique , Shamir Autograph, Zeiss Individual or
Physio 360?
Bob Taylor

[rdcoach5]

Happy new year 2007 Happylady ,
Varilux Panamic and Varilux Physio have total difference design. Be sure that you inform your friend about adaptation period.

Varilux Physio have much better quality of vision at all distance , but Varilux Panamic have better comfort of vision.

In case of anisometropia over 1.00D , Varilux Physio will be total better than Varilux Panamic.

Hope this will help you , Happylady ( The most cute girl I ever seen on webboard ) :cheers:

Let me know if you come to visit Thailand, our club will offer 10 beer for you , Happylady.

I switched myself from Panamic to Physio in same frame and same Rx.
The Physio is far superior in all ranges.
Bob Taylor

[Happylady]

She was put in Physio in 1.6 with Crizal Alize. They shipped from the Davis lab today. We should have them Wednesday.

[blackbirdy4444]

Have you tried the Kodak Unique , Shamir Autograph, Zeiss Individual or
Physio 360?
Bob Taylor

I AM FAMILIAR with all of the above, they are all better than the lenses that came before them so to speak. Still, none compare to the technology in the ID. The 360 for instance does not even have a custom front surface - as usual, Essilor trys to pull the wool over peoples eyes so that they believe there is more research in their lenses than actually exists. As i mentioned in other posts, its all about the software that drives the free form generator and the ability to quantify the perception of the wearer, and then create the lens that is best for that rx, frame, person etc..

The HOYA ID has won numerous international awards for this achievement. The HOYA materials and coatings are superior too. For instance, the bifringince on a Phyisio 1.67 w/ Alize is ever worse than Alize on POLY!! Why people still dispense these poorly made products i don't know.

[rdcoach5]

I AM FAMILIAR with all of the above, they are all better than the lenses that came before them so to speak. Still, none compare to the technology in the ID. The 360 for instance does not even have a custom front surface - as usual, Essilor trys to pull the wool over peoples eyes so that they believe there is more research in their lenses than actually exists. As i mentioned in other posts, its all about the software that drives the free form generator and the ability to quantify the perception of the wearer, and then create the lens that is best for that rx, frame, person etc..

The HOYA ID has won numerous international awards for this achievement. The HOYA materials and coatings are superior too. For instance, the bifringince on a Phyisio 1.67 w/ Alize is ever worse than Alize on POLY!! Why people still dispense these poorly made products i don't know.

Have you or someone you work with tried the same Rx in the same frame , same fitting height etc. That's the true test. I love all the free-forrms that I have tried compared to my previous Panamic , Gradal Top and comfort which I adapted to. There were many which I couldn't adapt, but there was also a base curve issue involved. Any free- form I have tried (3) gave almost instant adaption . I loved my Physios. Being A high Myopo (-7.50)
I felt like I was not wearing a Progressive. My reading and intermediate were wider.In sunlight I could read a newspaper all the way across the bottom of the lens. I have since tried the Kodak Unique which I find to be subtly better, dim and night vision better noticeably . What.s with the big Hoya boost? As I understand, Zeiss and Seiko own the patents for free-form. My last free-form is a sunglass, a Creation, which I have not tried that much because of typical overcast weather here. The last time I compared , the distance distortion was minimized like the Physio or Unique. Interestingly, the dashboard field of view was wider

[blackbirdy4444]

Have you or someone you work with tried the same Rx in the same frame , same fitting height etc. That's the true test. I love all the free-forrms that I have tried compared to my previous Panamic , Gradal Top and comfort which I adapted to. There were many which I couldn't adapt, but there was also a base curve issue involved. Any free- form I have tried (3) gave almost instant adaption . I loved my Physios. Being A high Myopo (-7.50)
I felt like I was not wearing a Progressive. My reading and intermediate were wider.In sunlight I could read a newspaper all the way across the bottom of the lens. I have since tried the Kodak Unique which I find to be subtly better, dim and night vision better noticeably . What.s with the big Hoya boost? As I understand, Zeiss and Seiko own the patents for free-form. My last free-form is a sunglass, a Creation, which I have not tried that much because of typical overcast weather here. The last time I compared , the distance distortion was minimized like the Physio or Unique. Interestingly, the dashboard field of view was wider

I have in fact done the same frame, same rx test. i talked more about this in some other threads, but long story short, the ID wins hands down every time.

[blackbirdy4444]

I have in fact done the same frame, same rx test. i talked more about this in some other threads, but long story short, the ID wins hands down every time.

Oh, one more thing. In general, not to stereotype, your Rx is not the greatest test of HIGH END progressives. High myopes are simply looking through a little less power as they read. The true test of any prog. is a plus on plus Rx. Course, as we all know, lenses like the Panamic seemed ok till we put it on a hyperope... then it failed miserably. Just a thought.