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    Hoya i.d.: My new, NEW Favourite!!!!!

    We dispensed the first Hoya i.d. today...

    Talk aboutWOW factor! Let me tell you the story:

    RX: OD -3.50 -.25 x164
    OS -5.25 -.25 x18
    ADD +2.50

    Pt. has optic neuritis in the OS since '98, her visual field test shows little to no vision in the periphery. Has switched between bifocals, trifocals and progressives off and on but without much satisfaction. Yet she loves the convenience of a PAL.

    Since she has such limited vision in the left temporally, and really wanted to stay with pAL's I thought she should at least try the i.d. - again with the rep and the "dog-and-pony". I thought that she may be more comfortable in progressives if there were less distortion in the periphery. She was willing to at least try.

    So she picks them up today and tries them on - TOTALLY AMAZED! She immediately comments on the clarity of vision to the edge of the lenses.

    She's looking around the room, and her eyes get wide and she says she's getting goosebumps and shows me her arm!!!!!!! She said it felt like she wasn't actually wearing a progressive at all! Heck, I got goosebumps too!

    I was astonished. Talk about the WOW factor. Never seen anything like it - but don't get me wrong, this is the first totally freeform product I have dispensed.

    I gotta say though - this is the way to go!

    Disclaimer: This statement is not intended to imply that the aforementioned lens cured a pre-existing pathology.

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    That sounds good!!

    Hi optigrrl.

    I also interested in Hoya iD. However, unfortunately, I don't have a chance to dispense iD. I used to think Hoya PALs have underestmated from western specialists. As a matter of fact, Their optical qulity and AR aren't inferior to others. so far as I know ECP better than Comfort.

    I'm looking forward to hearing your additional experience with Hoya iD.
    :cheers:

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    Wink Wow

    Can Polycore (Futurise or Micro, I'm not pickey...) be your new favourite next month? Pretty please! ;) ;) ;)

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    I got my new ID. . .

    a couple of weeks ago and I'm not easily impressed. I also have a Physio 360 and a Zeiss Individual. When I first put them on and looked around I realized that I could see clearly in all zones. I usually never wear the same pair of glasses 2 days in a row, but wanted to test them so I wore them about a week straight. I've got to say its the cleanest lens I own. This has become my new best friend. I can't find the distortion by looking through the lens anywhere.

    Judy, can you give us more information on the Polycore lenses??
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    Sure! Meet me in the Optical Marketplace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by optigrrl
    We dispensed the first Hoya i.d. today...
    Optigrrl,

    I received one of the last Multigressivs imported to the USA a couple weeks ago, so I'm (and many others) on the hunt for a suitable replacement. What was the turn around time? How short was the corridor i.e. was your client able to see the middle of a newspaper without significant chin lift? If you get a chance to fit a moderate to high plus try to let us know how it turned out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Framebender
    I also have a Physio 360 and a Zeiss Individual.
    Cool. What's your Rx? In addition to an increase in general comfort, were there any other notable differences in performance?

    Here are the power parameters-

    +6.00D to -10.00D up to -4.00 cylinder
    ADDs from +.75 to +3.50

    Minimum fitting height 14mm
    Materials are 1.67 and 1.70

    Regards,
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    Additional Information: The HOYA iD is produced for the american market in Germany, you should find the turn-time to be around 3 weeks. Super HiVision A/R is included on all jobs....

    Another plus - It's very unlikely that you will find the HOYA iD lens at Lenscrafters, Pearle, Wall*Mart, etc. as we've seen with other "premium" lens product.

    Consider supporting suppliers and products that support you!
    Last edited by Bill Mahnke; 08-18-2006 at 09:45 AM.

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    Robert,

    the turnaround was 3 weeks. As soon as I get my dad's new rx (moderate hyperope) I will let you know what he thinks - but he likes BIG frames so the fitting height will be over 20.

    Didn't ask the pt. about newspaper reading with the short corridor. She will be in next week or so ans I will be sure to ask.

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    Hi Robert,

    I am a +2.00 OU with a +2.00 add. I"ve found that I'm using my glasses more like when I was single vision. No more nose pointing. There seems to be more comfort and area in the mid range and at the near. Distance is really clean edge to edge. The Hoya rep gave me a coupon for my wife as well who is a moderate hyperope with 2 BI OU. She fights the prism to focus when she first puts on her Physio, but says her eyes just go ahh when she puts on her ID.

    I'd say give it a shot. I don't think you'll go wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by optigrrl View Post
    Robert,

    the turnaround was 3 weeks. As soon as I get my dad's new rx (moderate hyperope) I will let you know what he thinks - but he likes BIG frames so the fitting height will be over 20.
    That's all right, most of us don't lower our eyes more than 15mm or so when reading. If you get a chance, ask him about the distance field of vision and how it compares to his old lenses.
    Quote Originally Posted by Framebender
    Distance is really clean edge to edge.
    That's unexpected, IF this lens is a short corridor design (Hoya says 14mm).
    The Hoya rep gave me a coupon for my wife
    I've go to get my hands on one of those.:)

    Thanks to both of you for the information, and for any updates. Try to keep things in context, with new and old lens parameters included.

    Regards,
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    Dispensed 2nd pair...

    Dispensed the 2nd pair today - fit at 15 mm. The patient was wearing the CD in this frame previously and he immediately commented on the improvement in design. He was "VERY Impressed".

    His rx is + .25 -1.00 X98
    plano
    + 2.00 ADD

    He was in a rush, so I am going to call him in a couple of days to get more specific info on how he likes the id's compared with the cd's.

    As for the first patient, she will be back in town Monday or Tuesday of next week. (The one with optic neuritis).

    I am soooo looking forward to talking to her!

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    If you don't mind; What is your retail price for the iD, how do patients feel about the retail price, and does the offer of a $75.00 patient "rebate" help to cushion the "sticker shock"?

    Thanks
    Last edited by Bill Mahnke; 08-17-2006 at 10:11 AM.

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    I'm not familiar with the iD, but what all of you are saying is impressive. I think I'm gonna have to organize a visit from our local Hoya rep for more info.

    Thanks for the tip everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by optigrrl View Post
    Dispensed the 2nd pair today - fit at 15 mm. The patient was wearing the CD in this frame previously and he immediately commented on the improvement in design. He was "VERY Impressed".

    His rx is + .25 -1.00 X98
    plano
    + 2.00 ADD

    He was in a rush, so I am going to call him in a couple of days to get more specific info on how he likes the id's compared with the cd's.
    Not usually an easy Rx for a PAL, and I'm surprised that your client saw a remarkable difference between designs. It sounds like you are optimizing the lens position, and doing so with a high degree of precision.

    I ordered my first Hoya ID yesterday morning. Here are the specifics.

    Old Rx and lens parameters
    -2.25 +2.50 x 35
    -1.75 +2.00 x 150
    add +2.00
    Poly Comfort, 21mm high, un-coated, first PAL, easy adaptation.

    New Rx
    -2.50 +2.50 x 42
    -1.75 +2.00 x 150
    add +2.25
    1.67 ID, 19mm high, coated.

    I'll follow up after they're dispensed.

    Regards,
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    Thank you, Robert for the compliment. Keep us posted on your experience with this lens.

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    Redhot Jumper The WOW factor

    I am a picky PAL dispenser, very loyal to HOYA. Their ID is fantastic, although a bit on the pricey side. I tried Phyiso 360 and was not impresses, and ZEISS take a life time to get.

    Keep it in mind for the PAL skeptics... Its a winner.:)

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    3rd pair...

    I dispensed the 3rd pair on Saturday (yes, I make house calls :) ).

    Pt. is an Ophthalmologist, possibly facing EARLY retirement because of an arthritic condition in her neck. Operating the slit lamp forces her to move her head forward to accomodate the patient which causes her neck to cramp up and she has cronic pain.

    Her rx is:

    OD -.50 -1.00 x 88
    OS -.75 -1.25 x 88

    ADD +1.75

    Seg = 17 hi

    Her immediate comment was how wide the range of vision in the periphery was.

    She tends to take her glasses off to talk to patients, people (that is her range of natural vision so the "intermediate" corridor on the lens is restrictive to her...)

    We visited for about an hour, and before I left she suddenly noticed that she never felt the urge to take her glasses off!

    I am going to give her several days to see what she thinks and I will follow up..

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    Follow up with 1st patient:

    My first patient with the Hoya id's came in today to order 2 more pairs!

    Now that she has worn them for awhile I asked her how she liked the new lenses (it's obvious, I know - she's buying more) and where specifically she noticed improvement over her others.

    Distance - vision is clear, edge to edge. No "swim" in the periphery.

    Intermediate - about the same as current (Summit ECP)

    Near - can read the entire newspaper without moving her head.

    Her husband also noticed at the movies this weekend she didn't grab his arm to go down stairs, so I asked her if there was improvement in that area. Depth perception is remarkedly improved in the id's. She no longer needs to put her head all-the-way down to go down stairs anymore.

    I asked if she could give me an overall rating, what percentage would she give this lens design in improvement - she said: "A Gazillion!" ("can I say that??")

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    Optigrrl:
    Have you received any more comments about the HOYA iD lens?
    Attending VisionExpo? I hope you'll have time to visit us, I'll be there!
    Bill

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    Hi Bill!

    I have been playing phone tag with the gentleman that I fit at 15 hi - he started a new job, and today is the first day back at work for the MD - I want to give her some time to see how they perform at work. I'll call her in a couple of weeks.

    Don't worry, I will keep you up to date!

    Due to a last-minute schedule change it doesn't look like I will be able to attend VEW, but if plans change I will certainly be by to see you and Ivana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optigrrl View Post
    Dispensed the 2nd pair today - fit at 15 mm. The patient was wearing the CD in this frame previously and he immediately commented on the improvement in design. He was "VERY Impressed".

    His rx is + .25 -1.00 X98
    plano
    + 2.00 ADD

    He was in a rush, so I am going to call him in a couple of days to get more specific info on how he likes the id's compared with the cd's.
    Update 9/8/06:

    Pt. came in today so I asked him for a follow up on the id fit at 15 hi. We had changed the seg from 16 to 15 and his add is actually +2.25 (error!) This is the report:

    His field of vision is wider on the id than on the cd but on the cd the distortion in the periphery in the distance was "softer". He says that the vision through the id's are like High Defininition Tv. "You don't realize what you were missing". He said that even though his corridor of vision is much wider (how much? 50% or more he said) when he does hit the distortion it is much more pronounced.

    I put a little face-form on him and he felt an improvement but he still felt that he gained more "HD" vision left to right. However he was more aware of the distortion on the sides once his eyes reached it.

    As far as the intermediate and near he felt he had much more room.

    To summarize -

    Cons: At 15 hi the id pushes more unwanted astigmatism above the 180 than the cd does.
    Pros: Wider area of crisp, HD vision in distance, near and intermediate. Distinct clarity in the channel and more of it.

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    I will be dispensing a pair of 1.7 Hoyalux ID to a customer in about 2 weeks time. This customer of mine is a first time wearer of progressive lenses. Will give a full report once she comes in to collect them. :cheers:

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    What are people charging for the iD? Just curious. If you don't want to post please PM me. Thanks

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    One "PM" is on the way.............

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    Has anyone who has worn the iD also worn the Creation? I've been hearing similar "wow" reactions for the Creation and I'm wondering how much difference there really is

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