Pitchers of All Time

**jediron1** · 05-11-2006, 11:31 AM

What would your list look like if you had to list 10 pitchers from Baseball for your all time list? And if you were in the World Series and could pick any four starters
from all time who would your four starters be?
1. Walter Johnson
2. Christi Matthews
3. Cy Young
4. Whitey Ford
5. Bob Gibson
6. Satchell Paige
7. Bob Feller
8. Pedro M.
9. Sandy Koufax
10.Jim Palmer
11. Honorable mention: Babe Ruth spectacular won lost record before switch to just hitting. 96w & 46 lost

Series Starters:
1.Walter Johnson
2.Bob Gibson
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Bob Feller

**chm2023** · 05-12-2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by jediron1

What would your list look like if you had to list 10 pitchers from Baseball for your all time list? And if you were in the World Series and could pick any four starters
from all time who would your four starters be?
1. Walter Johnson
2. Christi Matthews
3. Cy Young
4. Whitey Ford
5. Bob Gibson
6. Satchell Paige
7. Bob Feller
8. Pedro M.
9. Sandy Koufax
10.Jim Palmer
11. Honorable mention: Babe Ruth spectacular won lost record before switch to just hitting. 96w & 46 lost

Series Starters:
1.Walter Johnson
2.Bob Gibson
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Bob Feller

Hard to argue with your list, might think about Drysdale.

**jediron1** · 05-12-2006, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by chm2023

Hard to argue with your list, might think about Drysdale.

I Thought of Drysdale, Ron Guidry and Denny McLain ;)

**Pete Hanlin** · 05-15-2006, 09:51 AM

Might add...
Steve Carlton
Roger Clement
Nolan Ryan

**Spexvet** · 05-15-2006, 06:22 PM

There was a great artical on Greg Maddox in Sports Illustrated a while back. It compared his stats vs the rest of the league' stats against some of the greats' stats vs the rest of the league in their day's stats. What a horrible sentence. Their conclusion was that Madox was better against his peers than the other greats.

**Mikef** · 05-15-2006, 08:33 PM

I would also add:

Lefty Grove (top 3)
Randy Johnson
Tom Seaver

**Mikef** · 05-15-2006, 08:34 PM

and Greg Maddux

**Mikef** · 05-15-2006, 08:36 PM

Top Ranked Starting Pitchers of All-Time

1.

Walter Johnson

2.

Lefty Grove*

3.

Greg Maddux
4. Roger Clemens28. Gaylord Perry52. Carl Mays5. Pete Alexander29. Fergie Jenkins53. Jim Bunning6. Christy Mathewson30. Eddie Plank*54. Charles Radbourn7. Cy Young31. Whitey Ford*55. Luis Tiant8. Randy Johnson*32. Bert Blyleven56. John Smoltz9. Tom Seaver33. Dizzy Dean57. Jack Morris10. Pedro Martinez34. Don Sutton58. Mike Mussina11. Ed Walsh35. Amos Rusie59. Wilbur Cooper12. Rube Waddell*36. John Clarkson60. Tom Glavine*13. Warren Spahn*37. Al Spalding61. Billy Pierce*14. Bob Gibson38. Stan Coveleski62. Lon Warneke15. Tim Keefe39. Dazzy Vance63. Tommy John*16. Sandy Koufax*40. Hal Newhouser*64. Clark Griffith17. Bob Feller41. Curt Schilling65. Eppa Rixey*18. Steve Carlton*42. Ted Lyons66. Bob Caruthers19. Jim Palmer43. Don Drysdale67. Burleigh Grimes20. Three-Finger Brown44. Wes Ferrell68. Bucky Walters21. Addie Joss45. Early Wynn69. Ron Guidry*22. Carl Hubbell*46. Red Ruffing70. Virgil Trucks23. Robin Roberts47. Joe McGinnity71. Tommy Bridges24. Juan Marichal48. Will White72. George Uhle25. Kid Nichols49. Red Faber73. Babe Adams*26. Phil Niekro50. Tony Mullane74. Mickey Lolich*27. Nolan Ryan51. Vic Willis75. Catfish Hunter

**heartlandophthalmi** · 05-16-2006, 08:26 AM

Wouldn't you have to consider Dwight Gooden?

**Framebender** · 05-16-2006, 09:45 AM

I was always partial to Warren Spahn! ;)

**jediron1** · 05-16-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mikef

Top Ranked Starting Pitchers of All-Time

1.

Walter Johnson

2.

Lefty Grove*

3.

Greg Maddux
4. Roger Clemens28. Gaylord Perry52. Carl Mays5. Pete Alexander29. Fergie Jenkins53. Jim Bunning6. Christy Mathewson30. Eddie Plank*54. Charles Radbourn7. Cy Young31. Whitey Ford*55. Luis Tiant8. Randy Johnson*32. Bert Blyleven56. John Smoltz9. Tom Seaver33. Dizzy Dean57. Jack Morris10. Pedro Martinez34. Don Sutton58. Mike Mussina11. Ed Walsh35. Amos Rusie59. Wilbur Cooper12. Rube Waddell*36. John Clarkson60. Tom Glavine*13. Warren Spahn*37. Al Spalding61. Billy Pierce*14. Bob Gibson38. Stan Coveleski62. Lon Warneke15. Tim Keefe39. Dazzy Vance63. Tommy John*16. Sandy Koufax*40. Hal Newhouser*64. Clark Griffith17. Bob Feller41. Curt Schilling65. Eppa Rixey*18. Steve Carlton*42. Ted Lyons66. Bob Caruthers19. Jim Palmer43. Don Drysdale67. Burleigh Grimes20. Three-Finger Brown44. Wes Ferrell68. Bucky Walters21. Addie Joss45. Early Wynn69. Ron Guidry*22. Carl Hubbell*46. Red Ruffing70. Virgil Trucks23. Robin Roberts47. Joe McGinnity71. Tommy Bridges24. Juan Marichal48. Will White72. George Uhle25. Kid Nichols49. Red Faber73. Babe Adams*26. Phil Niekro50. Tony Mullane74. Mickey Lolich*27. Nolan Ryan51. Vic Willis75. Catfish Hunter

They put Pedro at 34 and Bob Gibson at 38 there's something wrong with this list. And John Smoltz at 9 while Koufax is at 39 and Feller at 40! WOW. This does not look like a valid list to me. Just my 2 cents

**chm2023** · 05-18-2006, 03:08 PM

1. am I the only miserable and rotten person who thinks Bonds is deliberately laying off the long ball so he gets to 714 in the friendly confines of ---whatever it's called, the new Candlestick Park. Pac something??

2. who would make your list of the top baseball players as role models? Lou Geahrig (sp?), Roberto Clemente, Cal Ripkin, Jackie Robertson (Robinson???......gee am I off my game today....:hammer: )

**jediron1** · 05-18-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by chm2023

1. am I the only miserable and rotten person who thinks Bonds is deliberately laying off the long ball so he gets to 714 in the friendly confines of ---whatever it's called, the new Candlestick Park. Pac something??

2. who would make your list of the top baseball players as role models? Lou Geahrig (sp?), Roberto Clemente, Cal Ripkin, Jackie Robertson (Robinson???......gee am I off my game today....:hammer: )

1. Your right they are waiting to get to Pac something.

2. Role models: Barry Bonds, Mark Mc. and lets through in Terrel Owens. Now there is character! :D

**Mikef** · 05-18-2006, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by jediron1

They put Pedro at 34 and Bob Gibson at 38 there's something wrong with this list. And John Smoltz at 9 while Koufax is at 39 and Feller at 40! WOW. This does not look like a valid list to me. Just my 2 cents

Pedro is 10

The number before the player is the rank. (Not after)

**Mikef** · 05-18-2006, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by jediron1

1. Your right they are waiting to get to Pac something.

2. Role models: Barry Bonds, Mark Mc. and lets through in Terrel Owens. Now there is character! :D

What about Mike tyson

**jediron1** · 05-19-2006, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Mikef

Pedro is 10

The number before the player is the rank. (Not after)

Ok I understand now. That list is a bit confusing. But they have Randy J. ahead of Sandy k. and Bob G.? Both of those guys could pitch around Randy in a heart beat. Who would you rather have to decide a seventh game World Series, Randy, Bob G. or Sandy K.? For my money it would be a tough decision between
Bob G. and Sandy K. but I lean toward Bob G. more intimidating, he would throw right at you and not back down and I believe more back bone but Sandy would be my second choice. I don't think Randy has done enough to warrant his lofy status, sure he's 6 foot 9 but this is not the NBA. Just my 2 cents;)

**jediron1** · 05-19-2006, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mikef

What about Mike tyson

Might throw in Ron Artest. Now could you see having all these guys in one room
together. Might have to bring in the National Guard just to keep the peace. :bbg:

Especially if you also throw in Ty Cobb.