Lencrafters FeatherWates® Completes vs Essilor Airwear with Crizal Alize

**caflemin** · 01-10-2006, 10:11 PM

Do you think the scothchguard is the same as a teflon coating? I don't think the teflon coating is as nice as the D'alize or even the alize. It just doesn't seem to bead as well.

**mattress** · 01-10-2006, 10:34 PM

D'Alize: whats that dont have a Rep ever come around so dont know the new Essilor products

**For-Life** · 01-10-2006, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by mattress

D'Alize: whats that dont have a Rep ever come around so dont know the new Essilor products

It is not available in the US. It is Alize with the blue instead of the green residual colour.

**Chris Ryser** · 01-11-2006, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Aarlan

What are the advantages/disadvantages of the two compared to one another (Alize vs scotchgard?). Are they at least similar, or are they completely different? It would seem that the marketing LC has offered on the new scotchgard lens show that it has similar properties to the Alize, SHV or Carat.
AA

I have heard that the Cole labs which probably supply these coatings have new equipment made by Satis and also get the supplies from them.

The slick coats in general are all in the same family and originate from very few supply sources. You can easily assume that they are most probably very closely related, with the exception of their given names. Therefore they should all have the same properties with the only one existing exception:

An easy to clean slick coat that also has anti-fog and anti- stat properties.

None of the large local corporation has picked up this one yet and is advertisong it as the latest and fanciest invention they have developed.

**caflemin** · 01-11-2006, 09:05 AM

D'alize is a step up from the alize and is only available from Dr's offices and maybe small opticals not the big chains like LC and Costco (at least that is how I think it works in Canada).

**eg31486** · 01-11-2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cherry Optical

Scotchguard? LoL You have to be kidding me. If your glasses are made of carpeting you may want that, but since we are dealing with clear plastics, I would stick with the Alize'.

Personal opinion: The only glasses that should be made out of Polycabonate are these http://www.foodservicedirect.com/ind...e_Tumblers.htm

Adam

Actually, the Crizal and the Scotchguard both have the same chemicals... teflon. The same teflon in your cooking pans and yes, in your couch, car seat, and carpet fabrics. It's how it makes it so easy to clean. Just FYI.

**eg31486** · 01-11-2006, 09:52 PM

Also, Cherry, I've been wearing poly lenses w/ regular AR for over 15 years (I'm a -6.00 OU) and I've never had a problem with any of them. I've probably had 12-13 (or more) Poly AR glasses over that time. But I'm careful with them, which both AR and Poly require because of their softness (AR coat and poly lens).

**Cherry Optical** · 01-11-2006, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by eg31486

Actually, the Crizal and the Scotchguard both have the same chemicals... teflon. The same teflon in your cooking pans and yes, in your couch, car seat, and carpet fabrics. It's how it makes it so easy to clean. Just FYI.

I personally have never heard a single Essilor/Varilux rep state that they have the true "TEFLON" in their coating. I do find this very intriuging. I will do some research to find out if their is any falility to this claim. I do however, highly doubt it at this time. They may have a 'TEFLON-LIKE' chemical in their mix?

Adam

**Cherry Optical** · 01-11-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by eg31486

Also, Cherry, I've been wearing poly lenses w/ regular AR for over 15 years (I'm a -6.00 OU) and I've never had a problem with any of them. I've probably had 12-13 (or more) Poly AR glasses over that time. But I'm careful with them, which both AR and Poly require because of their softness (AR coat and poly lens).

Umm.. Ok?

Adam

**Chris Ryser** · 01-12-2006, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by eg31486

Actually, the Crizal and the Scotchguard both have the same chemicals... teflon. The same teflon in your cooking pans and yes, in your couch, car seat, and carpet fabrics. It's how it makes it so easy to clean. Just FYI.

Your assumtion is partly right. The names are only names that they have aquired from whoever has the rights to them.

However the applied product has nothing to do with the product in cooking pans or car seats.

What it does it fills the microscopic gaps between the crystals of the AR coating, therefore preventing dirt from going in between which makes the hard to clean. You know have a filled clean and smooth surface and no dirt penetration.

**AEOC** · 07-25-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Aarlan

Pete,

What are the advantages/disadvantages of the two compared to one another (Alize vs scotchgard?). Are they at least similar, or are they completely different? It would seem that the marketing LC has offered on the new scotchgard lens show that it has similar properties to the Alize, SHV or Carat.

AA

Just wanted to bump this because I didn't see an answer anywhere on the forum. What is the difference between Scotchguard and other premium coatings such as Alize or Teflon (other than where you can get them from)?

**edKENdance** · 07-25-2006, 11:44 PM

From what I understand. Nothing.

**HarryChiling** · 07-25-2006, 11:50 PM

The next break through in lenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

wrinkle free stain resistant AR*

* no warraties on the performance of this product wrinkles may occur and keep away from any solutions known to cause stains.

**Johns** · 07-26-2006, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by edKENdance

From what I understand. Nothing.

That's why nobody answered...

**Pete Hanlin** · 07-26-2006, 10:42 AM

What's the difference between a Cadillac, a Lexus, a Porsche, and a Jaguar- other than where you get them?

All the above cars have similar characteristics (four wheels, leather seats, etc.) and are probably made on similar robotic machines... They aren't the same brand or the same car, however.

Likewise with Crizal Alize with Clear Guard, Teflon, Scotchgard, etc... Naturally, they have similar properties (they are all ARs), and they probably share some similar processes (the hardcoating process for all Crizal products, nearly all Teflon products, and Scotchgard product is dip coat/thermal cure, which is capable of producing a very durable lens). That doesn't mean they are all identical.

That manufacturers make different products which they sell through different channels is not news. Retail accounts for approximately 52% of the eyewear sold in the US. Therefore, it is therefore not particularly surprising that manufacturers would make products for this channel. Essilor happens to make two of the brands in their line of products (Varilux and Crizal) directly available only to private practices. Essilor also spends $ millions to advertise these brands to help create consumer awareness.

Retailers also sell high quality products, such as Zeiss and Scotchgard. Similar products- different brands and different properties.

**edKENdance** · 07-26-2006, 07:35 PM

So what are you saying Pete?

**snowmonster** · 07-26-2006, 08:56 PM

I think he's saying that everything is nearly the same, but different only when under a microscope.

-Steve

**dochsml** · 07-26-2006, 09:36 PM

The front and back AR on LC is different. The idea is that they stock front side only AR lenses. Then they can surface the lens and apply backisde AR in the store for lenses in an hour. From what I understand, the idea works very well. They even apply their own UV hard coat.

**edKENdance** · 07-26-2006, 09:40 PM

From my experience that is incorrect.

**For-Life** · 07-26-2006, 09:42 PM

Wasn't that a system that they used years ago? I forget what it was called, but it was done by Sola.

There is a thread about it. The problem was that if you used a rimlon it could split, and it was a little thicker.

**dochsml** · 07-26-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by edKENdance

From my experience that is incorrect.

which part?

**dochsml** · 07-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by For-Life

Wasn't that a system that they used years ago? I forget what it was called, but it was done by Sola.

There is a thread about it. The problem was that if you used a rimlon it could split, and it was a little thicker.

They use sputter coaters now I believe. from satisloh.

**Jubilee** · 07-26-2006, 10:46 PM

Only some stores in certain areas have access to the Satis coating system. And according to my former sources anyway, it wasn't considered a success to have them there.

Currently the Scotchgard AR is either a finished SV lens in stock or is manufactured by Essilor..

The non Scotchgard are either done using a Satis system if the store has it.. or by one of the central labs.

Cassandra

**dochsml** · 07-26-2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jubilee

Only some stores in certain areas have access to the Satis coating system. And according to my former sources anyway, it wasn't considered a success to have them there.

Currently the Scotchgard AR is either a finished SV lens in stock or is manufactured by Essilor..

The non Scotchgard are either done using a Satis system if the store has it.. or by one of the central labs.

Cassandra

wonder why LC doesn't use Cole as its source for AR? Keep it in the Lux family.

**Jubilee** · 07-27-2006, 06:52 AM

That is one of the central procesing facilities they use for non Scotchgard. Scotchgard was developed in conjunction with Essilor. So I am sure there is a contract there for having Essilor produce it for so many years...