Ipseo

[Bobie]

In Thailand , we not have permission to comment anything about Ess.... product , event in this board.



Then , I have to call Ip... instead.



Ip... still have weak point at distance like Pana... , because all of these PALs have very poor quality of vision.



Pana... and Ip... have been piority designed for comfort of vision , then they put astigmatism error around the lenses. With this method , they can reduce swimming effect in peripheral and still have wide vision field at all distance in the day time in Plus SPH. , but the quality of vision will reduce at night time and more reduce in High Myopia or High CYL.



We try to report the problem of Pana... and Ip.. to Es.. dealer in Thailand , but they never listen to us and they force to close our website www.apcthai.com .



Another point that you have to careful about Pana.. and Ip.. is the ABBE of 1.67 material that have ABBE only 32 , that will reduce quality of vision for Myopia.



It is not fair for customer who pay a lot of money to get ABBE 32!.



We recommended ABBE 36 or higher like 1.7 Plastic Hoyalux iD Eyry or ABBE 42 of 1.6/42 in Rodenstock Impression ILT 1.6/42.



In Thailand , Rodenstock Impression ILT 1.6/42 have fully satisfaction guaranteed for 90 days in terms of " Just don't like " condition. , but Pana... 1.67 and Ip.. 1.67 not have fully satisfaction guaranteed like Rodenstock.



The PALs company always mark up the price more than 5 times for their profit , and they always say 5 times profit must be mark up for research , but my question is , if they already mark up profit 5 time profit , why they not guaranteed their product when the customer don't like their product or the customer who have to pay three time more to buy their very expensive PALs that have lower quality of vision at distance if compare with their old PALs.



We ask the optik shop around the world to force all PALs company to pay more responsibility in their very expensive PALs and if still have some PALs company whe not have enough responsibility in their PALs , why we have to pay the risk by our money or our optik shop name for their PALs? Why the very expensive PALs company not say the truth? Why they always protect their very expensive PALs?

It is fair for the optik shop and the end user ?



In Thailand , we can not say the truth of the weak point of very expensive PALs of Pana... and Ip... , because if we do they will force to put us to the jail.



Last week , they just close the webboard of Thai Optometric Association www.thaiopto.com.



I feel like we have " PALs mafia " in Thailand and we also have " The Untouchable PALs ".

:cheers:

[The Critical Eye]

The rx is definately reading less than his previous, a compensation they made in the manufacture of his new lenses. They do this compensation business on Panamics too.
-8.25-50x13
-9.50-50x162
add 225
compensated to read in lensometer
-8.14-.24x34
-9.38-.30x140

Hmmm... do you think that the process that is used in surfacing these newer
generation lenses induces some sort of cylindrical error which influences the effective power and axis orientation. Combine this with the highly aspheric surfaces these lenses demonstrate... and hence the resultant powers.

There's one or two contact lens manufacturers that do the same sort of thing with their toric lenses. I believe if their was more cylinder power you would see a greater swing in the axis. There's quite possibly some vertex adjustment going on with the panamic and ipseo lens due to lens unique back surface designs.
I'm betting you'll see similar numbers with the physio 360.

...well that's my theory.. and I'm sticking to it.. until someone
shows me different.

[K5B7]

Hello,



I read your posted message from 8-5-2005on "Ipseo" in Optiboards forum, in which you refer to the Zeiss Gradal Individual lens.



Quoting from its content:



evolution of free form

There are companys that are far beyond this stage of evolution with progressives

( Zeiss Individual and Rodenstock Impression).
Essilor seems to have you choose between a hard and soft design, but they do it with a tool (?). Others give you the freedom to CHANGE lens properties according to much more significant data ( vertex, panto, wrap and actual inset far and near pd's)

I have tried all 3 and found the Zeiss and Rodenstock more "Individual" (except for patients initials, nice touch!!)




My dilemma, as a consumer, is trying to make the decision between the Varilux Ipseo or Physio 360, both of which now are touted to benefit from "wavefront" technology, and Zeiss Gradal Individual or Gradal short-i, or Ophthonix iZON lenses - which IS based on an "eye print" of the cornea using wavefront technology.



Do you now have any insight into which of these lenses would give me the best vision? Although some of them might would require an exam specifically designed for them, my prescription is as follows:



sphere cylinder axis add PD



OS +2.00 +2.00 180 +2.25 65/62



OD +2.75 +2.00 165 +2.00



Although my optometrist said that I was not a good candidate for contact lenses when he was unsuccessful in fitting me for good vision in both eyes with contacts in the past, I would be interested in attempting to be fitted with contacts based on wavefront technology when they are available for my power soon.



Thanks,



Keith Boyette

yakbhoo@yahoo.com

[Bobie]

Rodenstock Impression ILT 1.74 is the best for you choice ,
but if you optiker can adjust the frame to correct parameter , then you can safe your money a little bit and going for Rodenstock Multigressiv ILT 1.74.

[Bobie]

Here , the imformation about Vairlux Ipseo.

1. New Progressive Addition Lens Design:
Utilizing the Varilux Ipseo Lens for Non-Adapt PAL Wearers
Jennifer Wong
National Award Winner of the 2006 Varilux Student Award Program
2006

case_rpt_Ipseo_for_non-adapt_PAL.pdf

2.
freeform_vs_customize_WhitePaper.pdf

3. BD8_Research-VariluxIpseoWhitePaper-VPS.pdf

4. CF6_VariluxIpseo_Pdevie.pdf

Tell me if you like some more!