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    Found an e-mail requesting for my termination /need advise

    I really need some advice on how to proceed on the following situation. I know it is long, but please bare with me and let me try and explain as briefly as I can

    I work at Wal-mart and for about 3 weeks I was working without a vision center manager and manning the store pretty much by myself 60-70 hours a week. The new VCM (vision center manager) started yesterday. He has proven to be a complete jerk and a typical alpha male manager who has made everybody miserable in only 3 days, turning all of the policies and procedures that were in place up side down towards his way.
    I was working in the computer system when I noticed a screen was open and when I looked to see what it was, my VCM had logged under my name and e-mailed some corporate heads requesting my immediate termination at the end of the day. In the e-mail he noted that I had dispensed contacts without a RCLD on the clock. I was very very upset and went to talk the store manager in the back.

    The store manager said that the VCM (who requested my immediate termination) told him that I was dispensing contacts without a registered contact lens dispenser on the clock and that I was going to be suspended until the investigation was over. But here is the dilemna on a couple counts.

    I am currently ABO certified and licensed and I passed the NCLE in May and the Medical State Board has had all the necessary paperwork for more than 2 weeks.. As soon as the Opticianary officer comes back from vacation in a week she will process it. Nobody has told me what I can or cannot due while I am waiting for my SL number to appear on the medical board, so I have assumed that the registration on my part is complete and I have fulfilled the necessary requirements. I have worked at a contact lens company for 8 years and have a total of 10 years optical experience.

    Furthermore, since I was so short handed and at times I had to leave the store, another associate who is a RCLD came to the store from another location used my nickname to dispense contacts. So on paper it seems that I did it when someone else has..

    In addition, my previous VCM told me a specific procedure to order the contacts: ring the order through the register, and go ahead and give the contacts to the customer, but not to dispense the actual order out of our computer system till a RCLD was on the clock. We at the time had 2 RCLD's and now we have one still on staff. So I continued to do that even when my previous VCM left 3 weeks ago.

    Furthermore, I was advised to continue on the same procedures by another VCM who has been very helpful in assisting with the shortage of staff at my store.

    Also, my district manager was recently under investigation for sexual harrasment against the staff at my store. I am the only full time optician remaining at the store that was questioned during the investigation. He was addressed about it, but I feel that he had a part in requesting for my termination by having the VCM provide as much ammo against me as possible.

    Furthermore, the current VCM is dual licensed, and I had the impression from the very beginning that he was threatened due to me being or going to be dual license. I had customers come in and request specifically for me during the 2-3 days he started working there and he was insulted that they did not ask for his help. I believe that he thinks that if he gets rid of me, he and his NCLE licesne will be more valuable. He was a manager for another optical shop, but was fired due to reasons I don't know. This guy is an *******... not exaggerating one bit

    My current VCM never once sat me down to coach or counsel me on what to do about dispensing contacts. I do not lie when I say that he has made the remaining 2 part time opticians seriously seek other places of employment

    As I am also aware, numerous other associates from other stores that aren't even ABO or NCLE certified have performed even more aggregious violations of the state contact lens dispensing regulation, doing the whole process without an RCLD even on staff. Yet I am the only one where action of termination has been brought up against.

    There are a lot of holes to fill in but do not want to overwhelm everyone with details. I provided a 8 page statement on my account, but I do not know if I even want my job back. I am seeking legal representation for damages, but due to the politics of this matter, I was wondering if any of you guys could give me any possible insight. I have already sought the advice of optical managers that I know of and are close to me. I love my job guys and I have sacrificed so much for that store including cutting class ( I graduated and double majored this past May :D ) sacrificing my other work to cover shifts, etc. But I don't know what to do anymore

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    There's no hope for you. You must commit hari Kari before the news comes down from corporate headquarters.

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    Based on everything you have said, I would leave anyhow. I'm surprised you have stuck around as long as you have. Cut your losses and move on. There are planty of better job opportunities out there.

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    This jerk has done you a great favor.

    You are way too good for Walmart.

    Move on. Be courageous.

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    Ditto
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    This jerk has done you a great favor.

    You are way too good for Walmart.

    Move on. Be courageous.

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    There is one thing that I have learned from Walmart is that they hate to terminate. Mention the words "wrongful termination" and you will see the issue dropped like a bad habit.

    However, the question is, do you want to work there anymore?

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    Yeah I would check out another place. But be sure to give this jerk enough rope...he'll take care of the rest. They always end up hanging them selves.

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    Wrongful termination

    Print a copy of that emailand keep it as part of your ammunition
    File complaints with the Stete Medical Board about ALL known violations of improper practice both spectacle and contact lens as in no licensed dispenser on duty, no contact lens dispenser on duty and anything else you can find. If you are going down take them all down with you


    Ed

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    Document, document, document. Do not sign anything that releases WM from future litigation. Sue the b*******. Based on what you have said, I am sure they will be very anxious to settle.

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    Is this a Walmart owned optical or a National Vision owned optical? (just curious).

    I would document everything ... and then IF he gets his way, make his life hell.

    Of course, I don't know if I would want to stay with the jerk anyway.


    Good luck and hang tough !!

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    Sue, but don't return to work there - how could you work in that hostile environment?
    ...Just ask me...

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    As a former wal-mart VCM,, you have all the power!!! Mention wrongful termanation, harrisment, unfair work practice, and a willingness to not only go to the state board about illegal dispensing practices but also to sue for mental anguish(sp). and you will get every thing you evey wanted... but make sure your up for the fight. Give 'em hell!!:shiner:
    Paul:cheers:

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    Ditto what everyone else has said. Give'm H--- !!!!!

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    Advice to rolandclaur: Get out before its too late. Give your notice now. Forget the fight. Forget suing them. It's not worth it. Get on with your life... this could be a wake up call for you... I was fired once and it was the best thing that ever happened to me... It made me focus on what I really wanted in life.

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    Thanks a lot for all the advice....Yes the vision center is a walmart owned center... I've had lots of actual job offers that would pay a lot more than i am currently being paid... but I stuck around because I am loyal to my employer, but more than anything, I want to get into the MTP (management training program) ... its a great resume booster and would bolster my experience... If i get acquitted and I will, I will not return to the same location I worked at, but request an immediate transfer and termination of the current VCM... I will fight these guys.. I will not let them walk all over me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shellrob
    Good people are hard to come by, believe me. You'll be welcomed with open arms at the RIGHT place of employment.
    We are looking for good people here in San Diego :cheers:

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    I already spoke with a student of mine who owns his own law firm.. He referred me to his labor rights/ employer discrimination specialist and he says that I definetly have a case. My boss at the gym where I am a trainer has a lot of very good representation and i will seek their advice too.. Thank you drk and all the others for your compliments and advice.. I really do look up to all of you guys as my optical mentors... But I will give them hell. I already am in the process of documenting and obtaining copies of that e-mail, my license applications, and I have about 15 opticians that will back and support me with statements.. I will leave the rest of the leg work up to my lawyer.. One question though guys? If I should be cleared, should I still sue Wal-mart and my VCM for attempting to terminate me?

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    Don't be too quick to accept all the feelgood advice. As irritating as your manager is, have you stopped to consider the possibility that you may be in the wrong? If your actions are anything less than exemplary, I would advise dropping the matter. This is hard advice to swallow, but it might be the best.

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    Well Rim, my actions have not been less than exemplary.. I follwed in accordance with everything that my superiors had asked me to do. Furthermore the stage at which my application serves as credible to dispense contacts was never discussed with me. Also, I was placed in a very stressful situation for almost a month, manning the store by myself pretty much. I know that if they find just once case or example that I can be terminated. But I find it completely unfair that this is happening to me only..

    Furthermore, I know of certain National Vision centers that don't even have one licensed person on staff, either ABO or NCLE,yet they continually dispense glasses and contacts at will. Why has no appropriate measures being taken against those locations

    In addition, I know of many other vision center associates from other Walmart stores that have dispensed contacts without a RCLD on the clock because they have told me.. Yet what is so disconcerting to me is that out of the entire san diego district of stores, I have been the only associate that has had action brought against myself. I have called about 6-7 other stores and nobody has been fired or had any action brought against them. Plus word of mouth spreads rather quickly so if any associate was fired it gets around. So why have I been exclusively selected is what I can't comprehend.

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    I sympathize with you. But if everyone is wrong, and you are also wrong, then you are still wrong - even if you are the only one being punished. If everyone else in the company is fired would that make you happy? I'm not saying you are 100% to blame, but you freely admit that you dispensed contacts without being licensed. You said "I am waiting for my SL number" That's very different from "I HAVE my SL number."

    Everything else you state is a distraction to the real issue... Everyone hates the manager... You work 70 hours a week... The district manager is under investigation for sexual harrassment... All the other opticians are quitting... etc.
    The point is, don't point out everyone elses sins and excuse your own. Admit it and move on graciously.

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    There is a saying and it is true...CYA. Don't worry about the others. What happened to you ...happened to you. Document your situation that isthe only thing you must do. Do you have copies of previous reviews, do you have written policy that backs your position. If past reviews hilight anything out of the ordinary there may be a problem.You can still sue after you leave. Look at your states laws in working in a hostile environment. I would pursue another position anyway. Never feel you owe anyone anything. You enjoy what you want and need to feel positive. It is diffucult with situations that are demeaning to your self esteem. Remember, it may take a while but all things that happen come around.

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    Rolandclau,
    Wal-Mart has very strict policies for how this type of allegation is investigated and directed through the process. You need to call the 1-800-walmart1 number (if I remember it right) and ask for human resources. You spoke to the store manager of Division 1 and got no resolution so now move it up the chain. Tell them exactly what you have told us here.

    You were placed in a very difficult place and all of this now is a result of that. First, just completing the paperwork necessary does not make you okay. All that they will care about is the license and did you have it-NO. However you were asked to do what you did and directed by sr. level personnel. They may have been out of line to ask it, but they directed you to do so.

    The most important thing...NEVER give your password to anyone to do anything in the system. After investigating numerous loss prevention issues in my former role I had many people use that one and when you look at the black and white-they did it and not the person they permitted to do it. When it comes down to words and jobs stories change. That person could have done anything-filled expired prescriptions, no prescriptions, etc. On paper you did it. Do you have copies of your time sheets? If so you can prove you were out of the store for some of it.

    Call the number, state your case clearly and calmly and ask for a meeting with the appropriate persons to discuss it. Don't lose your cool and stay calm.

    Good luck!
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    I had similar problems in a optical lab (not the same job of course, but you get the idea) and got put out enough to finally call it quits after five years. The politcs of a company that big will just give you an ulcer. If it makes you that angry, don't even pursue a job there anymore, get a job with a small independent company and provide your services to people who actually deserve and appreciate your support/commitment. Change is hard, but I'm sure as hell happy I joined the small company I did six months ago- they're all happy to be at work and there are NO political games going on (AND they pay me more money!) Big companies breed big problems for good people, although I'm sure there are good ones out there- but I've yet to find them.

    Good luck and I hope you kick some butt!

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    Listen to Cindy.....she hit the nail right on the head. This is your best course of action.

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