I prefer the Alize for cleanability, but have used Super Hi and it is pretty close. As for as scratching goes, well I have not had a problem with Alize scratching, so to me the difference is splitting hairs.Originally Posted by Ligament
I prefer the Alize for cleanability, but have used Super Hi and it is pretty close. As for as scratching goes, well I have not had a problem with Alize scratching, so to me the difference is splitting hairs.
I own each.Both excellent.
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This has been an enjoyable thread. I don't know if anybody told this guy that you have to have enough thickness to groove the lens. Depending on your coloring have you considered the brown transition trivex with a gold Carat AR?
Alize and Super Hi Vision are both top of the line. For a normal wear and tear kind of person Carat will work just fine. You've got a nice frame. You can get your optician to high gloss the edge and then color kote the edge to match the frame.
That way the job is optically sound and asthetically pleasing.
Hope you're all having fun and making money.
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If money is no object why not buy both and make up your own mind????????????
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This is the best post yet on this thread. I am sending $5 to a local charity for this answer. I think this thread should end on this note. He gets my vote for best post. :cheers:
I almost forgot, GO EAGLES!!!
[QUOTE=Ligament]
Is Hoya's data on scratch resistance accurate?
QUOTE]
Dont worry about anybodies scratch resistance data.
They are all good to 2.5 times more resistance than an untreated CR39. (thats the basic rule for non tintable hard coatings)
As soon as you get into tint able hard coatings this ratio drops dramatically.
They all scratch eventually if mishandled.
The only totally non scratch surface I have ever seen is on my watch, which is a "Rado Jubilee" (Swiss) and I am wondering just about every day, how come NO lens manufacturer has ever looked into this and tried to copy it.
Is HOYA's data accurate? The abrasion resistance data was compiled by Colt's Labs, a firm that specializes in conducting tests for our industry. Some results of the Bayer Abrasion Test:
Uncoated CR39 1.0
Standard AR coats 2.2
Crizal 3.6
Zeiss Carat 5.0
Crizal Alize 5.0
HOYA HiVision 5.0
SOLA Teflon 6.0
HOYA Super HiVision 10.9
Note that Super HiVision is available only on HOYA lens materials and designs. I can't provide any personal experience with Alize or Carat, but after 10 months of abuse, my personal pair of SHV coated Trivex seems to confirm the durability data--not a single mark. Past experience with standard coatings was not as positive. As always, you may want to take into account my employment with HOYA in evaluating my responses.
RT
Marketing......................
This looks like big corporation marketing. All these lenses contain above the regular AR coating is one of the new slickcoats and fancy names..
:cheers:
Can you tell me how "big-corporation marketing" produces different results on an abrasion test?
Very simple.....................
They have the slick coats, they have the test's and they are doing the marketing.
I never said that they produced different results.........................
No, RT did. Are you disputing his claim?
I am disputing nothing. Make your own conclusion's
An abrasion test's are all there, they determine and measure how fast asubstrate looses it,s lustre compared to a determine standard. However they do NOT determine scratchability. You can check out the Bayer links:by Colt's Labs, a firm that specializes in conducting tests for our industry. Some results of the Bayer Abrasion Test:
The there is another one on abrasion on which the optical industry is only a small part: :
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I'm a little dissapointed in the recomendations from the Opticians, the first and only recomendations should have been for this patient to go set down with an Optician for a personalized recomendation as per this patients lifestyle.
John Zimmerman
Sales Manager
Tri-City Optical Laboratory
Sometimes, John, you have to make a reccomendation based on available information, in this case, supplied by ligament. He asked for input and got it. Pretty simple formula! hj
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Ok guys, thanks for all the advice. I will select a winner and paypal him/her tommorow. You can take the money personally or have it donated in your name.
I thought I would post an update.
I ended up going with Trivex with Super HiVision AR coating. I have Davis Vision insurance which would cover Trivex with Zeiss Carat Gold, but would not cover Super HiVision from Hoya. The price difference was about $170 more for the SuperHivision coating.
Thanks for all your great responses.
dragging up the dead here, but is the trivex with hoya super high vision still the top choice?
The Zeiss coat is a very good coating and the company has been around in the optical business forever. I would say that you got a premium product no matter what the opinions. And personaly I think that the Carl Zeiss company rules.
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So, who won the $5 prize, Ligament? :bbg:
optiboard member "For-Life" was got the $5 reward, paid via paypal on 2/16/06. ;)
Last edited by Ligament; 06-28-2006 at 08:31 AM.
I posted this in wrong place.
Last edited by Jude; 06-28-2006 at 03:17 PM. Reason: Remove...should have been new thread.
Congrats, For-Life! :D :cheers:
Next Question: What is the worlds oldest profession?
Hint: Just leave the $5 paypal thing on the dresser.
thank you :)
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