Do you pay your teachers on worth?
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Originally Posted by
Johns
(1.) Owners will pay what the market will allow. If you're worth it, you'll earn it. If you think you're worth it but not making it, go somewhere else. It's all your choice.
(2.) And how many schools are in fiscal receivership? How many have been taken over by their states because there's no accountability?
(3.) You earn a decent wage, and I presume it's based on your abilities.
Do you think everyone should be making the same wage just because they join a union? Why aren't they making a decent wage already? Aren't they adding value to the practice they are at? Why do they stay at a practice where they are not being paid what they're worth ? It's usually always personal choices. (The area they live, family situations, they don't have the skills, etc...)
Do you pay each teacher in your district on their relative worth? do you pay each plumber or electrician on their relative abilities? Do you have any ability to rate them on such? You rely on their union qualifications . If they're not skilled, they never pass their journeyman's test, their state certification, whichever applies. What holds Opticians back is that there is always a huge pool of unskilled learn-on-the-job optical workers who are hired by Doctors or Opticians who don't want to pay more than minimum wage. As far as should all people in a union make the same wage? No and all teachers should not make the same either. All electicians , since we're using them as an example do NOT make the same wage, The union does set a minimum. Each company has the right to pay superior employees more.
Where is north Coast? Swaziland?
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Originally Posted by
Johns
My point exactly! Unions take away the worker's incentive to go beyond only what is necessary to collect the paycheck.
My son's teachers are not a union members.
My plumber is not a union. (He charged me $150 for a 10 minute house call last Thursday, and it was worth every penny.)
My mechanic is not a union mechanic (if there is such a thing).
Hey, anybody want to try a union brain surgeon?:hammer: "ouch"
I live in America-Ohio. The only non-union teachers in Ohio work for the parochial schools. Even though the parochial teachers are not union, their wages have definitely benefited from the unions efforts in increasing wages. It is posible to get a non-union plumber in Ohio for moon-light jobs where the union plumber or electrician works illegally "under the table". Your auto mechanic may not be in a union but his fees are definitely influenenced by the prevailing wages.. If you think you got a deal for a $150 10 minute plumbers call, call me next time. And i hate plumbing! I was kidding -I really hate plumbing-don''t call me.
I agree with some of this . . . .
but I have a problem with lazy union members not caring. B&L San Francisco was union when I worked there. We didn't allow no lazy people. Folks working the floor would run them off. That's just the way it was.
They did keep the suits from firing the 15 or so non English speaking Russians. That group taught me alot. They were the transition between hand crimping 25 jobs a day and being able to run a bank of edgers. And you could have eaten off any of those edgers.
I don't know what the answer is, but I believe that unification and new leadership is the place to start. I believe we have to prove our worth. I wouldn't want to be a young Optician today, yet many I know are just as eager as young puppies. They say ignorance is bliss, but these kids are sharp.
Lazy workers with or without union
I actually was in a union (UAW) while employed as an optician for a health and retiree center owned by the UAW. Talk about a joke- come contract renewal time. Our union representative was the same UAW regional Rep. I mean he was the same person! He was our local rep and our boss at the same time. We would ask for a raise, he would leave the room for a few minutes and state that he had denied the request. No. I don't want anything like that union or the ones that greedily took as much as they could get at the expense of their company's and younger worker's future.I don't want a union that backs lazy or unethical people. I would like a union that does not necessarily give minimum pay but requires all in the field to hold certification or license.Lazy people exist in life union or not.
WalMart and Unions.........................
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Originally Posted by
Andrew Weiss
That is changing as larger employers, like LC, WalMart, CostCo, etc., are becoming major players in the retail world. Whether this will lead to unionization is anyone's guess. A union would apply better to folks who work for those companies than it would for folks like me who work for independents.
Walmart actually closed a couple of stores in 2005 because they got unionized. They play pretty rough.
Published on Thursday, February 10, 2005 by the Associated Press
As Union Nears Win, Wal-Mart Closes Store
by Adam Geller NEW YORK - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. says it will close one of its Canadian stores, just as some 200 workers at the location are near winning the first-ever union contract from the world's largest retailer. Wal-Mart said it was shuttering the store in Jonquiere, Quebec, in response to unreasonable demands from union negotiators that would make it impossible for the store to sustain itself. .....................
see the whole story at : http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0210-13.htm
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different unions.................
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Originally Posted by
nsg
and the lab person who is also lic. by the state and abo and does dispensing? different unions for them?
When you go to a show as for example VEE in New York you have to learn patience.
The who puts up the curtain racks to separate the booth from the next booth......can not hang up the curtain because curtains are in a different jurisdiction, thats for the curtain hanger union and not the racking union.
The guy that brings you a small parcel can not bring you a big box because that again is for another union. If you have 16 unions being in charge of an exhibition you can wait sometimes for hours to get what you need, Never trample around a unions territory or they will get very upset.
Unions Don't Have To Have Stupid Rules
Just because some unions have stupid rules doesn't mean we have to rule out an intelligent union that would require a minimum amount of education and certification. It's not right that the chains employ 8 opticians and only 1 is certified. If all opticians had to be certified, there would be a positive effect in all aspects of opticianry. This would lead to a more professional association instead of the great variety of opticians groups and variance in legal status in 50 different states. I really don't know why some of you think that we would follow some of the dumb mistakes of some other unions, especially now that everyone realizes those mistakes. We would try to get quality people like Mike Disanto involved. Sorry, Mike, but you're such a good speaker that you would be a natural for involvement in this. Anyway ,the negative comments I have received from this idea , come from negative reactions to those old ideas of unions. A UNION CAN BE ANYTHING WE CAN THINK UP.
Bob Taylor
Intelligent people don't need unions.
Intelligent people have the personal where-with-all to get a raise, another job, or whatever they need. They don't need unions (My grandfather is rolling over in his grave for my saying this). Only the lazy, or the cajoneyless need unions.
Chip
Johns know where his $$$ comes from!!
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Originally Posted by
Johns
As an owner, when I pay my people more, because they are good, I make more, not less.
I don't care about titles, names, or when it comes down to it, even licensing. If a guy walks, talk, acts, and makes money for me like good opticians can, and do, then I'm going to pay him whatever it takes to keep him/her on the job and making money for me. It's that simple.
Results equal results. I don't need a union to tell me that.
Last month we had a record month. The first thing I did on Monday is to call in the top performers that included the lab guys and receptionists, and gave raises, and in some cases, one time cash bonuses. It cost me about $7k uo front, that I could have put in my pocket, or put towards a new car for my wife (she drives a 2003 Windstar). My employees are smart people. They know that the success of my business depends on their hard work. By rewarding them, they know I appreciate their efforts. Again, why do I need a union to prompt me to reward my employees.
I do agree with some of the things you say, and I think we have the same end in mind, just different means.
Can you send me an application please?
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