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    OK, essilor reps seen today. There has been, I've noted, a foray into "depth of focus" a lot, lately.

    For context, we've had EDOF ("extended depth of focus") technology FOREVER, but we've been calling it aspheric multifocal contacts. Unilens, Conforma and David Volk started it before my time, and B&L bought it (I think that's right). Essentially it's a "low asphericity" conical section multifocal and they use the daylights out of it in RGPs and SCLs, now.

    THEN the big hot thing was to incorporate it into IOLs, and after decades, ophthalmology is touting how great EDOF is. (Yawn. But correct.)

    SO NOW recently it seems that the lens companies are figuring out ways to make such asphericity part of the lens design. I don't understand--because of marketing mumbo-jumbo because apparently the reps are too stupid and we're too stupid to be talked to any other way--but it seems that some/all points within the corridor and near zone have extended depth of focus (due to this asphericity, I think). The benefit touted is that the patient has more play in depth of focus at a given head angle/lens location and won't feel such a need to look up and down the corridor.

    The way I think of it, is that while Varilux has done quite a yeoman's job of smoothing out peripheral astigmatism in the X and Y coordinates (that is, on the lens surface) now they're smoothing in the Z axis, back-and-forth or "in-and-out".

    Question 1: Anyone have insight on this?
    Q2: Am I getting this right?
    Q3: Does this work?
    Q4: What would we give up? I'm thinking "soft focus = low contrast or less clear".

    I'm pretty sure I've heard of this approach from Zeiss or Shamir, too?
    Last edited by drk; 01-19-2023, 01:52 PM.

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    Will Pete Hanlin risk the lions den?

    Haven't heard from him in a while.

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      His name was brought up by the field rep...

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        Major mumbo-jumbo

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          Evaluating lens performance using “volume of acuity”




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              I read that "paper" carefully. It's crap. It's mumbo-jumbo.

              As far as I can tell, they perhaps made the lens a little more "V-shaped" (meaning they widened the intermediate zone) and probably they changed the rate of progression through the corridor to make the intermediate more useable on a desktop (but we know that's quixotic).

              What I was interested in was this "Extend technology" and it barely discusses it.

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                I've heard similar things about Varilux X in particular. Despite my effort, I have also been unable to get any straight answers on how this actually works, not for lack of trying.

                I've dispensed many many Varilux X jobs and although it's hard to say with any certainty, my inclination is that this Extend Technology probably doesn't amount to much. Would love to hear about this from somebody who's in the know though!

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                  Originally posted by drk View Post
                  OK, essilor reps seen today.
                  You must be the lens rep's worst nightmare LOL. You should just ask to have Pete Hanlin call you at your office ^_^

                  Curious to hear the answers to your questions as well.

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                    They're very nice but Essilor is pehaps the worst at marketing-speak that means absolutely nothing. They try to dazzle you and you're supposed to say "OK, I guess. I'm an essilor Expert, now."

                    It's sad the industry doesn't respect/encourage/educate their REAL customers: optical people. They seem to have a low opinion of us, like we're consumers. Save the jazz for the consumers.

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                      Originally posted by drk View Post
                      They're very nice but Essilor is pehaps the worst at marketing-speak that means absolutely nothing. They try to dazzle you and you're supposed to say "OK, I guess. I'm an essilor Expert, now."

                      It's sad the industry doesn't respect/encourage/educate their REAL customers: optical people. They seem to have a low opinion of us, like we're consumers. Save the jazz for the consumers.
                      Most of the reps I have seen for lens companies aren't former opticians but sales people. They don't understand the lenses well enough from a technical standpoint to tell us anything more than the marketing mumbo jumbo. This lens has wavefront technology... cool. What is that and how is it different from what Zeiss/Hoya/Shamir offer? This lens has path optimization! Okay, but really any lens with a baby add power will be optimized right? So how is this lens different from an older generation progressive with a small add? They just look at me with a blank face.

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                        Originally posted by naicitpo View Post
                        most of the reps i have seen for lens companies aren't former opticians but sales people. They don't understand the lenses well enough from a technical standpoint to tell us anything more than the marketing mumbo jumbo. This lens has wavefront technology... Cool. What is that and how is it different from what zeiss/hoya/shamir offer? This lens has path optimization! Okay, but really any lens with a baby add power will be optimized right? So how is this lens different from an older generation progressive with a small add? They just look at me with a blank face.
                        bingo!!!!

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                          I read the Varilux XR white paper, again. It's so full of crap. It's almost a parody. It's like the "Mentos the Freshmaker" commercial.



                          However they do it (and I think it's because they are using some point-by-point asphericity if that's even possible) it sounds to me like a super-soft single-vision-like design with "soft focus" (kind of like the old Japanese "fuzzy logic" of days of yore).

                          I'm trying it on an outside ophthalmology Rx where the patient has a +2.50 add and never wore PALs before. Should be a good test.

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                            The Europeans don't know how to market worth crap.

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                              I can't find the original thread but we put an outside ophthalmology Rx 59 y.o. patient into her first PAL and we opted for Varilux XR.

                              OD +0.25 +1.00 x 060
                              OS +0.25 +0.50 x 105
                              +2.50 add

                              Not too heavy of a lift in the distance zone, but some oblique astigmatism, there.

                              My thinking was that this XR should be "uber soft" based on my perception of what their concept is (and all I get is a perception).

                              One week after dispense she's happy with them, so there's that.



                              I have no idea what the lens does, but I'm under the impression that, you know...the honey comb "pixel" concept whereby they may take a small lens area and make it an aspheric lenslet with an increased depth of focus...could allow them to minimize the steepness of the walls of unwanted astigmatism increase alongside the corridor and near zone, and probably distribute some of it into the distance zone, and make a super low-swim design (at the cost of high contrast) that would be a great way to get a noob into a full add PAL.

                              Maybe it's going to work.
                              Maybe I just made all that up.

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