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    ForEyes "natural" lens vs. Lenscrafters thinnest lens

    Hi. I joined the forum here to discuss this lens "issue" I am having right now.
    A couple weeks back, I bought a pair of semi-rimless frames and lenses at Foreyes. My insurance works with them, and they say that they use the same lenses as Lenscrafters, etc. but each company calls the lens by it's own name. In my case, I bought these frames with the "natural" lens package (the thinnest lenses they carry I was told). This is their most expensive package I believe. The others are "air" and "pure" I believe. Right now, I have a pair of semi-rimless glasses that I got at Lenscrafters a year back.

    Here is the RX (which I was told has not changed much).
    OD: -1.50, -1.00, 175
    OS: -1.00, -.75, 175

    So I went to pick up the glasses this past weekend, and they came back "loose" meaning the fishing line (or whatever is used to secure the lens on the semi-rimless frame) was moving all around and was not sturdy. The main problem here though was that the lenses were almost twice as thick as the lenses I got from Lenscrafters a year back.

    Why are these Foreyes lenses so much thicker than the Lenscrafters'?
    I asked my salesperson (and emailed Foreyes) to check on the work order and make sure they were using the correct lens in there. I am not sure what to think here. I mean this is 2008, everyone has these "thin" lenses now right? The salesperson told me that they are the thinnest they will get, but I can see looking at my current glasses that the groove and fishing line they used in the new pair are thicker than in my current set. As a note, my current glasses are more of a rounded lens, whereas the new pair is kind of a rectangle shape. The salesperson told me that they were thicker because of the rectangle lens, but I am having a hard time believing that the whole lens would be almost twice as thick as a result of this.

    If they come back as thick, I guess I will take them over to Lenscrafters then and find out if they can fit a thinner lens in there, and if so, I may return the lenses to Foreyes and just take the frames over to Lenscrafters to get the lenses.

    Thanks for any information that you can provide on the Foreyes lens packages and this situation.

    #2
    This forum is for Eyecare Professionals. Consumers are allowed to post in the Just Conversation forum and non-optical topics only. Please be aware that any questions involving optics or eyecare may be removed. These kinds of questions should be discussed with a qualified eyecare professional who has examined you and is familiar with your situation.

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      #3
      Judy thanks for the quick response in deterring me from using this board.
      Could you/anyone please assist me in finding a reputable optical board that allows both "professionals" and "consumers" to interact? I have a question on lens material that people in the optical field will have the answer to. I am not trying to intrude on your party, just looking for some answers. Thanks for any help here.

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        #4
        How you be done to know they thinner unless you had it filled in the same frame at both places.
        With your prescription there is no reason to waste money on any thinner than normal material. They wouldn't be thick to begin with and the amount of thickness eliminated wouldn't be noticeable except in the fool that paid for it's pocket book.

        Chip

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          #5
          Originally posted by chip anderson View Post
          How you be done to know they thinner unless you had it filled in the same frame at both places.
          I can tell the new lenses are thicker by placing the lenses of my old glasses up to the lenses of the new glasses. On the sides, bottom, and overall they are thicker. I am not sure in actual measurements, just by "eyeing" them up.

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            #6
            Originally posted by rhymemaze View Post

            Here is the RX (which I was told has not changed much).
            OD: -1.50, -1.00, 175
            OS: -1.00, -.75, 175
            These could have been made from optically superior glass and you wouldn't know much difference.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jacqui View Post
              These could have been made from optically superior glass and you wouldn't know much difference.
              With my Rx:
              Is glass thinner than polycarbonate lenses? Is glass thinner than plastic?

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                #8
                ForEyes and Lenscrafters try to sell you stuff.
                Maybe you need what they are selling, maybe you don't.
                Take both pair to an independent optician and ask why. A smart and ethical optician will tell you why. Get a quote, also.
                In my shop, the thinnest lens available for your Rx, compete w/ Anti-reflection would be $210. Cash price, no insurance accounted for.
                I could charge more if I wanted to deceive you, but it wouldn't be thinner, lighter, safer, more scratch resistant, block more UV or anything else you want to dream up.

                In short, no one on here can answer you question without knowing your exact situation - and seeing the eyewear. That is why we must refer you to an optician.

                If you have questions that can't be answered by your current eyewear supplier - it's time to look for new one anyway.
                Last edited by MarcE; 01-28-2008, 10:23 AM.

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                  #9
                  The point is that glass is optically superior. YOU SEE BETTER! You seem to be only interested in thinner. However your Rx is so weak that's except for the extreemly neurotic patient obsessed with "thinness" the amount of thickness saved is insignnificant. Now when Rx's get up to
                  +or-4.00 and above this becomes significant and often worth the price.
                  In higher Rx's some of the lens designs may offer some visual advantages
                  as well. But in yours, the changes may be of negative value.
                  It's true that people with very thick glasses find this objectionable, but your Rx should not be thick at all unless the lens size is huge, in which case a smaller lens size would have resulted in more thickness reduction than the material would have produced.

                  Chip

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by rhymemaze View Post
                    Judy thanks for the quick response in deterring me from using this board.
                    Could you/anyone please assist me in finding a reputable optical board that allows both "professionals" and "consumers" to interact? I have a question on lens material that people in the optical field will have the answer to. I am not trying to intrude on your party, just looking for some answers. Thanks for any help here.

                    I don't think there are. You should be able to ask your optical professional anything you want.
                    The problems most consumers have is they don't ask enough questions of their personal Optician, then come in here and want us to second-guess what their Optician did and why. We have no way of knowing any of the particular problems some anonymous person would have and why their Optician made whatever decision with them.We don't know if your old frame is smaller than the new frame which would make them thinner.
                    In short, if you're unhappy with them,take them back, tell them your problem, then see what they will do to make them right.
                    You could see how we might tell a consumer that we would not use a particular lens/frame/material combination, only to have the consumer run to their Optician crying that "The guys from Optiboard said you screwed me!" You can see how this would be a huge mess. We used to let consumers post and ask questions, but all too quickly we ran into problems associated with differences of opinions.
                    If you peruse Optiboard, you will find there are many opinions about durn near anything.. Also you might find the answer you need, but it might take a lot of poking around. In the meantime, you will learn a lot.
                    DragonlensmanWV N.A.O.L.
                    "There is nothing patriotic about hating your government or pretending you can hate your government but love your country."

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rhymemaze View Post
                      Here is the RX (which I was told has not changed much).
                      OD: -1.50, -1.00, 175
                      OS: -1.00, -.75, 175

                      So I went to pick up the glasses this past weekend, and they came back "loose" meaning the fishing line (or whatever is used to secure the lens on the semi-rimless frame) was moving all around and was not sturdy. The main problem here though was that the lenses were almost twice as thick as the lenses I got from Lenscrafters a year back.

                      Why are these Foreyes lenses so much thicker than the Lenscrafters'?
                      I asked my salesperson (and emailed Foreyes) to check on the work order and make sure they were using the correct lens in there. I am not sure what to think here. I mean this is 2008, everyone has these "thin" lenses now right? The salesperson told me that they are the thinnest they will get, but I can see looking at my current glasses that the groove and fishing line they used in the new pair are thicker than in my current set.
                      There's no reason why you should have thinner lenses with the RX you supplied above. Especially the fact that you have a semi-rimless frame, because the lens has to have a thicker edge to accommodate the groove anyway. But you know, it is virtually impossible to give an accurate answer to your problem without taking many factors into account. Unless I have both pair of glasses at hand (so I could compare apples to apples) there is no way of knowing what the problem may be...much larger eyesize, diff. pds, stock lens vs. surfaced, prism, etc; That's why it's much better to talk your eyecare professional about these types of problems than to try to find answers on an internet forum.

                      posted by rhymemaze:
                      As a note, my current glasses are more of a rounded lens, whereas the new pair is kind of a rectangle shape. The salesperson told me that they were thicker because of the rectangle lens, but I am having a hard time believing that the whole lens would be almost twice as thick as a result of this.

                      [quote]
                      And yes, the salesperson is correct in saying that the lenses would be thicker due to the rectangular shape.

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                        #12
                        Why..

                        ..has this thread grown to 12 posts? Judy gave the corect answer and recieved the to be expected response from the consumer. Let it die.

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                          #13
                          Thanks for the replies.

                          I am guessing that the Foreyes "natural" lens package is not the same as the Lenscrafters "featherwates."

                          Like others have said, when I pick them up again, if I don't like what I see, I'll prolly take them back. First though, I will ride over to Lenscrafters and simply ask if the lens can be made "thinner" there. Having the "cutters" there, they should be able to let me know by looking at the frame and prescription.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rhymemaze View Post
                            Thanks for the replies.

                            I am guessing that the Foreyes "natural" lens package is not the same as the Lenscrafters "featherwates."

                            Like others have said, when I pick them up again, if I don't like what I see, I'll prolly take them back. First though, I will ride over to Lenscrafters and simply ask if the lens can be made "thinner" there. Having the "cutters" there, they should be able to let me know by looking at the frame and prescription.

                            Diferrences in frames sizes can indeed impact the thickness of your lenses.

                            However, as many have said here already it is almost impossible for anyone to be able to give you a straight answer without seeing the actual product and knowing what is in involved.

                            I wish you Luck!
                            Jana Lewis
                            ABOC , NCLE

                            A fine quotation is a diamond on the finger of a man of wit, and a pebble in the hand of a fool.
                            Joseph Roux

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by rhymemaze View Post
                              Thanks for the replies.

                              I am guessing that the Foreyes "natural" lens package is not the same as the Lenscrafters "featherwates."

                              Like others have said, when I pick them up again, if I don't like what I see, I'll prolly take them back. First though, I will ride over to Lenscrafters and simply ask if the lens can be made "thinner" there. Having the "cutters" there, they should be able to let me know by looking at the frame and prescription.
                              And if I was the lab person on staff at the LC you go to, I'd ask, "Thinner than what?" You're comparing apples to apples, yes, but it's more like comparing a Golden Delicious to a Jonathan.

                              Do the optician you go to a favor and take both pairs of glasses with you so they can show you exactly why your new ones aren't EXACTLY like your old.
                              Do not postpone joy

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