Shamir Genesis

**slaboff** · 06-24-2004, 11:29 AM

I have been running a poll with my patients fitting some in the varilux panamic and the shamir genesis... i have found that the reading area of the genesis is about 4 inches wider than that of the panamic... i have been fitting the panamic for over 4 years and have not had any problem with it... i heard the genesis was a good lens so i gave it a try and wow what a difference...

**Lee Prewitt** · 06-24-2004, 11:57 AM

Slaboff,

Welcome to OptiBoard! :) I have experienced the same thing with the Genesis lens. We too, were loyal Varilux users until the Dr tried the Genesis and commented that this is the most single vision lens I have ever worn! You will find that Shamir has a wonderful family of lenses. They have not only the Genesis in CR-39, 1.60 glass, Poly, 1.60, 1.67 and I think Trivex but also a true short corridor lens in Picollo, available in CR-39, 1.60. To top off the family they also have a computer lens! You will find the Shamir reps very knowledgable (Shamir only hires veterans that I am aware of) and friendly. Many on the board have had good results including converting patients Varilux. Search on either Shamir or my name (I am a huge fan and make no qualms about it) Oh! Did I mention that Shamir offers an incentive program? Very generous indeed! Can you say Vegas Baby!

Good luck with your poll and keep posting the results, good or bad. Knowledge is a good thing when shared.

**slaboff** · 06-24-2004, 12:23 PM

thanks for the warm welcome, you are correct it is available in trivex now... and i do use the office lens as well... what a great lens, too bad its not available in other material other than cr-39...

**Lee Prewitt** · 06-24-2004, 12:27 PM

I know! It is always with a little trepidation that I use an Office lens in CR-39 after making the patient a Genesis in 1.67! Ouch! Perhaps the Shamir people (I know of a few who monitor this board) will take the hint and release the Office in 1.60.

**John R** · 06-24-2004, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by slaboff

I have been running a poll with my patients fitting some in the varilux panamic and the shamir genesis... i have found that the reading area of the genesis is about 4 inches wider than that of the panamic...

Them must be some BIG frames you fitting them in to if the reading area is 4" bigger......
Not a fisherman by any chance are you....

Jesting aside, we sell a lot of Genesis and people are very happy with them.

**Laurie** · 06-25-2004, 11:43 AM

Hello,

I used to be a big Varilux fan too...it is not that I don't think they have good lenses, and I am not knocking Essilor, I am just blown away by Shamir. I have met their lens designers from Israel and they are absolutely amazing. Their philosophy is brilliant and simple: provide the best optical solutions...we need a premium progressive with conventional fitting heights, a short corridor (no shorter than 16 though...any lower would be too short for good optics) and a lens for computer/office with edge to edge clarity at viewing distances out to 10 - 13 feet.

You are correct, Lee, Shamir only hires people with a vast amount of optical experience. The word is getting out fast about this great company...did you happen to see the story on them in Vision Monday? Andy Karp did a nice job capturing their great spirit.

And, it is not my place to say, but I think you will hear good news soon in regard to the Office lens coming out in additional materials (polycarb). This opens new opportunities for helping people who need better optical solutions and safety while on the job.

: )

Laurie

**ikon44** · 06-25-2004, 12:40 PM

I have not come across these lenses before , anybody got a U.K. contact
thanks .

**Lee Prewitt** · 06-25-2004, 12:43 PM

Contact John R here on the board. He is lab guy in your neck of the woods and should be able to guide you. You will be very impressed with the performance of this lens.

**mrba** · 06-25-2004, 01:21 PM

Shamir's whole "thing" is fully endorsed by Bad *** Optical!

We love their Speil and their lenses. We have had virtually no problems... and in our opinion we find their lens performance optically superior to Varilux (among others) in every way...

**drk** · 06-25-2004, 01:26 PM

MrBA

Tell me if you think Shamir's ray-tracing technology outdoes Sola's? Do you think Shamir equals or exceeds Zeiss?

While you're at it: I've heard a lot of buzz about the Image progressive from Maui Jim's Rx department, Younger has earned an award recently on the lens, my lab tends to think they're a good value, etc. I put my receptionist in it and she thought it was terrible (compared to Panamic). I looked through them and noted more distortion than I expected to see. What's the poop?

**fvc2020** · 06-26-2004, 11:29 AM

HelloI have tried the Shamir products and the ones we have used are great. One reason we are not using it as much is because we can not use Caret or Caret Gold on the lenses. We use alot of poly and 1.67 and neither can take the above. I would love to office in poly(we do alot of office, Thanks to Laurie and her awsome class she did last fall in the Twin Cities), but we like high end ar and its hard to sell high end progressives w/o high end ar. If this is changing soon I'd love to know.......

Christina

**rsandr** · 06-26-2004, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by ikon44

I have not come across these lenses before , anybody got a U.K. contact
thanks .

Taylor Optical Poducts do them if im not mistaken.
http://www.taylor-optical.com/

Rick

**mrba** · 06-26-2004, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by fvc2020

HelloI have tried the Shamir products and the ones we have used are great. One reason we are not using it as much is because we can not use Caret or Caret Gold on the lenses. We use alot of poly and 1.67 and neither can take the above. I would love to office in poly(we do alot of office, Thanks to Laurie and her awsome class she did last fall in the Twin Cities), but we like high end ar and its hard to sell high end progressives w/o high end ar. If this is changing soon I'd love to know.......
Christina

You may want to double check this. Carat is available on almost everything now, especially poly.

**mrba** · 06-26-2004, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by drk

MrBA
Tell me if you think Shamir's ray-tracing technology outdoes Sola's? Do you think Shamir equals or exceeds Zeiss?

I suppose neither I nor you would have access to that information. I am not as interested in how they do it, but that they can do it. Maybe someone from Shamir can come on and give their spiel on eye point technology...

I think Shamir equals Zeiss in terms of lens desighn... Free form is a Shamir thing I think... I will start another thread about Shamir b/c I would like to get it from the horse's mouth...

I doubt anyone else could compare the two either, since I doubt anyone has worked for both companys...And I am definately not interested in what a represenative of a competetor may have to say about their own in house testing. If Essilor (for example) found shamir to be superior in their own tests they would not tell you. Furthurmore what they do tell you will be overly exaggerated highlights of the one thing they found wrong etc etc...

While you're at it: I've heard a lot of buzz about the Image progressive from Maui Jim's Rx department, Younger has earned an award recently on the lens, my lab tends to think they're a good value, etc. I put my receptionist in it and she thought it was terrible (compared to Panamic). I looked through them and noted more distortion than I expected to see. What's the poop?

I am going to let CEO defend his own lens if he has inclination. From my expirience, Younger Image is an excellent value lens, on par if not better than comfort... And with a slightly harder desighn, better for reading as well. I would assume its peripheral distortion is nothing to write home about... But in my opinion, Gradal Top kicks the **** out of Panamic for crisp intermediate and low peripheral distortion... The only down side is it's soft desighn (which happens to be a downside in this day and age)...

Keep in mind too, that Cyl is a major culprit for peripheral visual issues, and that doesn't go away in any standard lens...

For more on Shamir, I will start another thread and we can see what comes of it.

**fvc2020** · 06-26-2004, 06:53 PM

hello again

I was told both by Todd at Shamir and Walman's that you can not get Caret on poly or 1.67 product. If that has changed recently I haven't been told...

Christina

**John R** · 06-27-2004, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by rsandr

Taylor Optical Poducts do them if im not mistaken.
http://www.taylor-optical.com/

Rick

Spot on. :)
Wonder why they dropped the .co.uk domain though ? Dont make sense for a company in the UK.

**rsandr** · 06-27-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by John R

Wonder why they dropped the .co.uk domain though ? Dont make sense for a company in the UK.

Half the site doesnt work anyhoo, i dont understand it.
My website is sh^te, but i cannot understand having a professional website full of dead links.

Rick

**Lee Prewitt** · 06-28-2004, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by fvc2020

HelloI have tried the Shamir products and the ones we have used are great. One reason we are not using it as much is because we can not use Caret or Caret Gold on the lenses. We use alot of poly and 1.67 and neither can take the above. I would love to office in poly(we do alot of office, Thanks to Laurie and her awsome class she did last fall in the Twin Cities), but we like high end ar and its hard to sell high end progressives w/o high end ar. If this is changing soon I'd love to know.......

Christina

We use Vivix from I-coat. It is a premium coating on par with Carat and Crizal. It works very well with Shamir lenses. I have used it for over 2 1/2 years now with no issues that I can remember.

**slaboff** · 06-28-2004, 12:39 PM

i checked with my lab and the genesis is available with carat arc in all materials, however it is not available with crizal

**mrba** · 06-28-2004, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lee Prewitt

We use Vivix from I-coat. It is a premium coating on par with Carat and Crizal. It works very well with Shamir lenses. I have used it for over 2 1/2 years now with no issues that I can remember.

Lee,
You are incorrect. Vivix offers better scratch than either of the others you mentioned... And I think will be oliphobic standard, just like Alize, if it isn't already.

**Lee Prewitt** · 06-28-2004, 02:42 PM

mrba,

I stand corrected. Good to know that I'm offering something better than I thought. We have been very happy of course with the exception of the turnaround time. I run about 85-90% AR each month and the extra few days for the good stuff does grate from time to time.