Question - There's A Eye Exercise Program...., that's like the See Clearly Method

[leeuniverse]

However, this program used normal reading glasses like you can get at a Pharmacy or something.
You use the reading glasses while reading a book, and you create the SAME kind of effect as the See Clearly Method has in it to place words at a distance, and then reading the stuff slightly "blurred".

Anyone remember that program you could get through Mail Order several years back?
I simply can't find the dang thing on the Web, and I don't remember what it was called.

Just wondering......

Unfortuantely I had got the dang thing, but then I lost all my books during a move because of idiots, and so I don't have that program anymore, but I do remember the method.
I plan on using the Method along with the See Clearly Method, I think I will get better results that way.

Heck, I'll just go ahead and tell you guys what the method is.

1. You go to the store and get reading glasses.
For Nearsightedness you want to get +1 or +2 or +3
Farsightedness you get -1 or -2 or -3...... I think this is the way, it could be the other way around, can't remember.

2. To know what "strength" of glasses to get (i.e. the #), all you do is put on the glasses and put some book size words in front of you and see which one is comfortable to read CLEAR but then able to move the print slightly forward or back (depending upon eye condition) to BLUR only a little and still comfortably be able to read, like you would want to read with a book.

3. Then all you do is go home do some of the exercise things with the See Clearly Method, and then pick up a book, put on the glasses, lay down and start reading.
You position the book so you can read CLEAR and then while reading you move the book SLIGHTLY the direction necessary to create just a "slight" blur of the text.
You then read the text that way for a few seconds, then do a few eye wiggles, blinks etc., stop, then move the book to the CLEAR position again to rest your eyes for a few seconds and then repeat.

4. You do this over and over, building up, being sure to give yourself breaks and us some of the See Clearly Eye Relaxation methods, and then your eyes will in a short amount of time get better.

5. Also, as a recommendation, it is my opinion that the CHIEF reason some people aren't as successful in full vision correction is 1 of course because of not doing the stuff enough or well enough, but 2 primarily because they often STILL continue wearing their glasses.
One can likely where "transition" glasses, but that is simply beyond most peoples budgets, with having to get your eyes tested at least every couple of days if doing the program diligently as well as getting new glasses over and over.

So, I would recommed people NOT wear glasses at all, if they can do so safely and still be able to see somewhat.
If you do so, the results will show quite rapidly, and you will be more likely to have Clear Vision again.......

I think I would also recommend people to get a good sleeping and exercise pattern again.
Like 30 minutes of exersice a day as well as 9+ hours a sleep.
That way the eyes can be more active and sufficiently rested.

Anyway, that's it!

[paw]

Who has this kind of time??? And even if you did, why would you want to spend it doing this drivel???

I can say with certainty that See Clearly doesn't work. My evidence is that I have not heard of, talked to, read about, or seen with my own eyes ANYONE who can see clearly as a result of See Clearly Methold.

In America, successful processes are duplicated and successful items are purchased and quickly become the mainstream. Obviously See Clearly is not successful, or we would have Wal-Mart See Clearly Centers.

Leeuniverse, if you are truly an innocent consumer and not a See Clearly salesperson in disguise, I would advise you not to waste your time or money. Glasses are not that bad. Really!!!

[chip anderson]

The main aim of these "methods' is to con money from fools.

They are quite effective at this.

Chip

If this is not the truth they can sue me and I am not afraid of this, does that tell you something.

[leeuniverse]

I appreciate your skepticism guys, and believe me I've researched this stuff quite thoroughly, and I'm definately NOT into "quackery".

As someone who was VERY athletic and good in Sports and Martial Arts, at the age of 16 I had superior vision accuity, I had a major life change, moved to a different place, and other than going to school I spent the rest of my time until late at night in my room watching tv.
Within TWO MONTHS I had lost my eyesite and gained 40 pounds.
The couple of times I went to watch a basketball game, I couldn't make out the letters or see the court very well, it was a terrible thing for me.
I never played sports again, because of what occured in those two months.

Over the next few years I was more physically active at various times, even served in the Marine Corps.
My eyesite was still not so bad then so I could "squint" my way through the eye test.
While in training, I did get the Rifle Expert badge (which few get at first), but I was disapointed because I couldn't see the targets as fully, and thus could have done much better and maybe even gotton Company High Shooter if my eyes were sharp.

Anyway lived life......

I then got married, and was finishing up college at a different school, and because of the time limit for me to complete a Dual Major I spent HOURS on the Computer Daily till late at night, and AGAIN within 4 months my eyesite became MUCH WORSE, to where I know absolutely have to where glasses or contacts.

So, my point of telling you guys this, is that I FIRMLY believe that poor eyesite is caused by the Muscles in the eyes "weakening" because of fatigue, and underuse without a variety of movement.

I've studied the various programs, and I know they can work if followed through.
I believe the See Clearly Method is "lacking" in the most effective component of eye focusing exercises.
All they have is a maze you follow with your eyes at a certain distance and also read some words like and eye chart.

I believe using the Glasses Methodology along with the other stuff will be MUCH MORE effective.

Now, as to the critisism as to why it's not out there being used very much, well that is simple.

1. Lazyness..... People are vehimately lazy. When I first learned of the program using the glasses and got it, I was 21 and simply wasn't interested in taking the time to follow through with it.
I'm now 31, and am in a situation of being at home.

2. Busyness...... People are busy. They don't have the time or energy to invest in something so boring and on their own.

3. People need to SEE...... People are busy and need to "see" most of the things they do. It's usually doesn't feel good walking about in a BLUR.
For the programs to really work, you shouldn't were corrective lenses, that way the eyes can adjust on their own, and if you do your essentially prolonging and defeating the purpose of the program.

4. Optomitrists realized LONG AGO that it was too much of a pain (as well the methodology's weren't finalized and perfected) to get people to do the program and get the necessary results.
It simply wasn't "cost effective" and things weren't set up well enough so the stuff would WORK for people at a reasonable rate.
Thus, optomitrists decided just to focus on Glasses.
They get their money, people can see, and people are "content".
It was simply TO MUCH to have a program like this and get peoples eyes fixed because of ALL the above reasons.

So..... That is the simple logical reason why Optomitrists haven't focused on this area, and why you don't see it everywhere.

Anyway, I tell you what, I know you guys are skeptical and don't believe me, so within this coming year, I'm going to get my eyes checked again with an Optomitrist who I believe will work with me on this.
That Optomitrist will will write a letter certifying my eyesite, and then I will do the methods I think actually will work.

I will post when I've done all this and when I "officially" start the methods.
Then ALL OF US, including the certifications by this Optomitrist and likely even a second varifying one, will certify what is happening with me, and I will update you all as well.
How's that sound......?

So, instead of us judging it's worth without really any understanding of it, why don't I do it for you all to see, and see what happens?
I will even set up a website for which I will set up a WebCam, so you can see me and know who I am.
That's fair right?

So let's do it then!!!! :)

------

Anyway, back to the original question, does anyone remember what that program is called?
Again, they used Reading Glasses as the chief method.

Thanks....

[Kurt]

I'm sure glad you're driving around in Vegas, instead of up here in Seattle where you might run over ME. :hammer: :shiner:

[chip anderson]

Dey gonna git yo' $470.00 boy, you gonna git nothin but a tape too sort to record a movie on when you realize your mistake.

You ripe.

Chip

"There's a sucker born every minitue." P.T. Barnham

When you get to the yellow pages the words are Optometrist, and eyesight.

[paw]

Why are you so interested in convincing people on this board?

Sounds like the reincarnation of Dyip.

[Ray Parent]

Guess it's time to reference this thread...

http://www.optiboard.com/forums/show...&threadid=4541

Here's the last time we dealt with this subject.

[Jo]

leeuniverse said:
So, I would recommed people NOT wear glasses at all, if they can do so safely and still be able to see somewhat.
If you do so, the results will show quite rapidly, and you will be more likely to have Clear Vision again.......

OptiBoard is a discussion forum about vision related topics. It is not intended to provide medical advice. Only your eyecare provider can advise you about your eyehealth and the proper correction of vision related problems.

[Jo]

Kurt said:
I'm sure glad you're driving around in Vegas, instead of up here in Seattle where you might run over ME. :hammer: :shiner:

That's actually a good reason to wear corrective eyewear as prescribed.

You could be held negligent in an accident if you have been prescribed corrective lenses and are not wearing them at the time of the accident.

http://www.mslawyer.com/mssc/cases/961212/93j00607.html
The jury heard testimony that Alexander came to a complete stop at the intersection and saw no cars approaching when he looked to his left. The jury also heard testimony that Perry was not wearing her eyeglasses, and that she did not see Alexander's truck and trailer until she was more than halfway down the hill. We find this to be sufficient credible evidence from which reasonable inferences can be drawn which support the jury's finding that Alexander did not violate his duty of reasonable care, and that the accident was caused by Perry's negligence.

[leeuniverse]

Dey gonna git yo' $470.00 boy, you gonna git nothin but a tape too sort to record a movie on when you realize your mistake.

hee, hee.... What makes you think I would actually PAY for something like that?
I'm not going to pay for something that is common sense, and should be available for all. :hammer:

Why are you so interested in convincing people on this board?

Who says I am? I was challanged, and so I explained by position and experience and that is that.
I just came here asking a couple of questions, not be assualted by "fear-mongers". (No being derogatory with that comment, just an accurate destription of the responces and attitudes I recieved in relation to the information.)
No one should FEAR information.

I will do it, and see if it works, and that will be that.
None of you don't even know people or story's of the "quality" programs not working. So you judge based on a lack of information.
I'm quite aware of the "quakery" out there, and I fully agree with you guys on that.
But this is "legitamite" Eye Training, NO DIFFERENT than training the Muscles of the Body to be balanced and strong.

Anyway, that's my position, and we are free to disagree if it needs be.

Guess it's time to reference this thread...

Thanks for the thread, it was everything I already know.

And just to make it CLEAR to all here.......
I completely AGREE that the Bates Method alone is "quackery".
Some of the things are "useful" in the program, but it is VERY MUCH SO incomplete at actually correcting vision in my opinion.

Of course, we will see if my ideas work. ;)

That's actually a good reason to wear corrective eyewear as prescribed.

That's why I said as long as it could be done "safely".

If one absolutely has to, I believe a program could be worked out using "soft" contact lenses with gradually changing perscriptions.
But that would take more interaction with the Optometrist for maximum comfort.

Anyway, thanks for your comments all.

Let me add as well, I WILL be doing my method, and it will be fully documented.
I would like to also ask if you guys would be willing to "observe" this process?
Since you guys are skeptical, I don't mind at all putting myself out there for all to see, to see if it works.

I have Faith enough in the "possibility", and just like in my exploration of religious truth, I'm going to do what is NECESSARY to find out FOR SURE wether it is a "working" methodology or not, because it's simply THAT IMPORTANT.

I want to See Clearly again, because I'm totally incapacitated by it, in relation to what my gifts are.

Anyway, I'll keep you guys updated......

------ Of course, I'm still looking for the name of that one particular program.
Apparently an Airline Pilot created it, out of necessity through doing his own research.
True or not, don't know. But the manual was quite DETAILED with information on the subject.
And even trying the method a couple of days back then there seemed to be a slight difference in visual accuity.

[Jo]

leeuniverse said:

That's why I said as long as it could be done "safely".

I understand. I just wanted to point out that it isn't a matter of at what point individuals feel it is "safe;" state governments usually have their own vision requirements actually noted in their state statutes under motor vehicle laws.

If state statutes say that safe corrected or uncorrected vision is better than 20/40, for example, then no matter what an individual feels is safe, the courts have drawn a legal line as far as distance vision.

It sounds as if you are discussing near vision or reading corrections. I wasn't trying to put down your post just adding what I felt was a needed clarification. OptiBoard's contributors are largely in the Optical fields; it is important that members of the public who view these pages understand that these posts are casual conversations about Optics and eyecare and not be taken as medical advice.

[leeuniverse]

Sure, no problem...... I understand.

Actually, what it is, is that the program that I got years ago, it was "similar" to the See Clearly Method, but they used Reading Glasses at either +1 2 3 or -1 2 3.
The only reason for using these glasses is so you can hold the book you are reading at a level you can adjust it easily, and so it is much more effective at controling the focal excersice.

The idea behind it, is that you hold the book at a point "before" the text becomes blurry, and then you blur the text ever so "slightly" so that you get the focusing muscles of the eye to work. Then gradually over time the focusing power of the eye will become stronger.

Anyway, I'm just trying to find out if anyone ever saw the program so I can try to get the manual again.

I like to be "thorough", and if this stuff actually works, I may start my own business with it.
Cause if it works, I have a strong desire to help people, and so I think it could do a LOT of good.
But, I'm going to be sure I'm prepared, and then I'll see if it works.
To me it's simple logic...... Since both times my eyes became bad was due to improper lifestyle habits, then there MUST be a way naturally to rehab that eyesite, in a similar way I got FAT because of lifestyle habits, and it's also going to take careful and focused excersice and eating properly to rehab my body.
If is doesn't work, then I'll have to settle for some other "artificle" means.

But if it works, it could be a profound discovery......

Anyway...... I'm guessing that since it doesn't seem to be heard of, it could have actually been a "legit" method someone created on their own out of necessity as claimed.
Anyway, who knows, maybe maybe not. :hammer:

[aaron]

Dear Lee,

It seems that you are quite content with your research and have decided that if applied properly it will work. I hope all goes well for you. In reguards to this manual you speak of....it is actually the basis for the see clearly method. And the air force did PREVIOUSLY try it during the second world war. I don't know if that helps.

It sounds to good to be true right?.... working out your eyeball like any muscle in your body to make it stronger and more efficient. I am sure that you already know this but the eye does not work the same way as the rest of the muscles of your body do. It is an organ and could be worked out about as much as you could work out your liver or your kidneys. If you are refering to the cilliary bodies that flex the crystalline lens, there is only so much they can do.

Now you are right in that much like your other organs, proper diet and an overall better wellbeing (ie. exercise, less stress, proper amounts of sleep etc...) will help keep your eye healthy and performing the best that it can. Then there is genetics to consider. It is thought that just as genetics are responsable for your body type, shape, metabolism, and so forth, that this can also dictate the shape of your eye which is of course the reason you need correction. Weightlifters depend quite a bit on genetics. Two people could have the exact same form and weight but one will increase in size and strenth differantly because of his genes. This cannot be corrected, only the potential of the individual can be maximized.

I can appreciate that having to live with "debilitating" vision as you said you have, is no fun at all. I would suggest at least that even if you go with no glasses at all in order to help your eyes adjust, that you will not drive without some sort of correction as that would not be fair to the others that could be put in harms way. Alot of what happens when you go without glasses is just perception; your brain making adjustments to make the best of a bad situation.

Please be careful in what you put your hope and trust in. Alot of people make alot of money selling alot of things.....including glasses. And if it appears to you to have made a differance in your vision for the better, than good for you. But so far.....glasses are about the best we got:D

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[Jo]

leeuniverse said:
Anyway...... I'm guessing that since it doesn't seem to be heard of, it could have actually been a "legit" method someone created on their own out of necessity as claimed.
Anyway, who knows, maybe maybe not. :hammer:

leeuniverse,

The only other program I can think of is Vision For Life. Hope that helps.

[leeuniverse]

It seems that you are quite content with your research and have decided that if applied properly it will work. I hope all goes well for you. In reguards to this manual you speak of....it is actually the basis for the see clearly method. And the air force did PREVIOUSLY try it during the second world war. I don't know if that helps.

Thanks.... Me too! :p

Actually what I'm refering to with that is that there is this guy who was an Airline Pilot, and he started loosing his vision, he spent a bunch of time researching everything out there on the subject of fixing eyes naturally, created a program, did it for himself and then I discovered it advertised somewhere 10 years ago and ordered it.
The program I believe came with a Manual, 6 pairs of reading glasses (3 for myopia and 3 for hyperopia) and an eye chart.

The manual had a bunch of information like the See Clearly Method does for exercises and various relaxation stuff, as well as other info.
I just liked all the information in it, and so would like it as a "resource".
I alread have the See Clearly Method on an Autoplay CD (didn't have to pay for it hee, hee.), so I got that info, it just would be nice to have the other one to. ;)

It sounds to good to be true right?.... working out your eyeball like any muscle in your body to make it stronger and more efficient. I am sure that you already know this but the eye does not work the same way as the rest of the muscles of your body do. It is an organ and could be worked out about as much as you could work out your liver or your kidneys. If you are refering to the cilliary bodies that flex the crystalline lens, there is only so much they can do.

Well, you're right and then your wrong about that.
Other orgins of the body don't have Muscles which control their movement and shape, the eye does, so that's a bad analagy you used there.
Although, I agree that just doing exercises for the eyes "will not" change the vision much, but I believe they can some.
Formost however, I will say the good thing with the classes, is that the method used to do that works on actually excercising the "focal" mechanism of the eye.
In otherwords, you purposly FORCE the eye to try and focus again past it's "comfort" zone.
You don't try to focus on blured things, you focus on words that are CLEAR and then ever so slightly move the text a small direction to create a slight blur of the words and doing that actually forces the focal mechanism to keep extending itself and over time the mechanism will supposudly get stronger and stronger.

Let me give you an example of this in another way.
There have been documented cases of people who spend most of their time outdoors and who have to look long distances etc. that their vision is actually BETTER in distance viewing than normal people.
In otherwords, these people have "trained" their eyes through their natural lifestyle to actually IMPROVE their vision.
I believe a similar kind of thing can occur with a good natural vision program.

In fact I remember the guy saying in that manual that with those glasses and the method, a person could actually improve their vision "beyond" normal, and given all these things it makes sense.

It is thought that just as genetics are responsable for your body type, shape, metabolism, and so forth, that this can also dictate the shape of your eye which is of course the reason you need correction. Weightlifters depend quite a bit on genetics. Two people could have the exact same form and weight but one will increase in size and strenth differantly because of his genes. This cannot be corrected, only the potential of the individual can be maximized.

hee, hee.... Actually as someone who has spent my entire life in the Sports, Martial Arts, and Fitness and Health fields this is actually a falacy.
Yes, genetics play's a role in a lot of things, BUT environmental influence WILL very much so determine what you become.
For example, with the correct training routine and diet I can make ANYONE male or female (despite their genetic makup, skinny, fat, etc.), into a HUGE Bodybuilder.

Everyones genes are essentially the same. Yes, everyone is different, but we are born with "default" characteristics.
Characteristics of things that "grow" i.e. Thoughts, Feelings, Muscle Mass, Brain Neurons and Fireing, Eye power, etc. CAN be manipulated to adapt to environmental influences.
Just as my eyes "adapted" (in a bad way) to the environmental influences which occured in 2-4 months both times because of TV and the Computer, as well as my body both times adapted badly in the form of extra weight.
That's all "negative" adaptation......
You have the reverse of "positive" adaptation which can influence change as well but for the better.

So, the "eyes" are one of these "changing" and adaptable characteristics of humans.
It's NOT one of the "perminant" defaults of the body, it is an adaptable default as other things are.

Anyway, to the rest thanks for your positive and careing manner. :)

Take care......

The only other program I can think of is Vision For Life. Hope that helps.

Yes, I have seen this one, but it's not the one I'm looking for.
This one is simply a "copy" essentially I believe of the See Clearly Method.

Thanks though.... :)

[leeuniverse]

Actually, you know what....? I'm thinking that Vision for Life might be the program.
The name kinda seems like it is the name of that program, and then when I look at the picture of the program, it "sort of" looks like some of the stuff that was in it when I got it.

The only thing, is I don't see the glasses in the picture.
They prominately showed the glasses in the pictures of the program I had.
hmmm.... Wonder if they changed the program or something.
It doesn't say anything about the glasses on the website either.

Man, now that I'm thinking, I'm almost positive that that's the name of the program.
It's like the price I bought it for too I think.
But they used to have like a cool looking EYE as their trademark picture.
hmmm.... odd.

Oh well, just talking out loud, I'll eventually find it.

Thanks again..... :)

[leeuniverse]

hmmm..... Also, that couldn't be the program, unless the guy is lying, with trying to "re-promote" the program.

The program acts like it is a New program.
And the creator of the program is this guy who gives a testimonial.

As Seen in Men's Health - Declared:
"One of the Greatest Comebacks of All Time"

"After the 9/11 tragedies I was one of thousands of commercial airline pilots soon to be out of work when my company's layoff notices began. I decided to try to fulfill my childhood dream of flying fighter jets for the United States Navy but there was one thing that had always held me back - perfect eyesight. I was forced to find an alternative to glasses and corrective surgery as the Navy demands near perfect, uncorrected vision from their pilots. I admit I was skeptical when I first learned about vision training, but after reading documented results from the American Optometric Association and over 75 years of research attesting to the effectiveness of vision training, I started to believe. I thought about how my eyesight kept getting worse, while the rest of my body was getting stronger and healthier through normal exercise and healthy living. Through the Vision for Life program I improved my vision from 20/85 to 20/25 in 30 days passing the visual acuity test given to United States Navy fighter pilots, and threw away my glasses after using them for nearly 10 years. A few months later, the restriction that I was required to wear glasses while flying was removed from my FAA medical certificate. The one thing I had always been told I had no control over has been overcome."
Orlin G. Sorensen, Commercial Airline Pilot

Cause notice the mention about 9/11 ?
If this is the same program, then they guy is lying through his teeth.

Unless of course, he bought the program from the original author.
Which, that is possible.

Anyway, the more I'm thinking about, I'm almost positive that that is the same name of the program.
Could be wrong though, you know how the mind works. :hammer:

[vitalogy44]

Look, if any of those methods were proven or worked, ODs would be using them everyday to help correct the vision. There is no basis for all of these claims. Some eye muscle deficiencies do give decreased vision, but there is so much more that goes into decreased vision other than eye muscles.
I feel very adamant about these methods because they seem to make sense to the unknowing consumer, but all they do is pray upon people's ignorance. There are some vision exercises incorporated into the study of vision therapy, but these are used for binocular vision problems, i.e. the eyes not working together.
A couple of more things--if you use a (-) lens to read with all you are going to do is decrease your quality of life. And, lastly, if you truly believe this line of thinking, well something else that might interest you is iridology.
If you couple these see clearly methods with iridology, then you can save tons of money over your life by taking care of your own vision by correcting it with the see clearly method and diagnosing ocular/systemic problems with iridology (last paragraph-read sarcasm).

[leeuniverse]

Uh, ya.... NOT! :finger:

Look, if any of those methods were proven or worked, ODs would be using them everyday to help correct the vision.

No, not necessarily, namely given most of the reasons I give in a post above.
This is not "easy" stuff given peoples busy lives and lazy habits, and nor has it been FINALIZED into a fully effective program, not to mention because of all the skeptisism against it.
So, I can totally see why there isn't much about it.

I mean hell, some 60 years ago they had CLEAN AIR technology that could have been used to power automobiles through the steam engine.
Yet, a fully sound technology was squashed simply because it wasn't "perfect" at the time (it was NOISY).
So just because of the powers that be, we've been slowly killing ourselves for all these years with Carbon Monoxide.

Anyways......

Well, I'll just say that the simple FACT of how I lost my eyesite both times demonstrates to me that this "kind" of methodoly could work that I've been speaking of.

Also, like with the See Clearly Method, they have a BUNCH of testimonials on the free demo video and with the actual program.
And they have something like 4 eye doctors certifying that the program works.
I mean, a couple of the people nearly balled when telling their story's, and I don't think the doctors would be risking their professional images unless they were telling the truth and believed in the program.

Anyway, I'm going to test it with my other method and see what happens.
I don't care about all the "surface" stuff, so I'm just going to do what I think will be benefitial, and what will be will be.
It's all good, for there's nothing to fear but fear itself.

Small groups of scientists new that the world was "round" but people believed the earth was flat for YEARS and YEARS before they were finally knocked over the head with the truth.
Wether this will be one of those, who knows.
But the place not discovered is the road not traveled.

I'm not going to chop my eyes up when God created me just right, as long as I norish what is right.
You know the old saying, "use it or lose it". I believe this applys to the eyes as well.
So, I'm going to do what is necessary to find out FOR SURE, and not just rely on "idol speculation". :shiner:

[Steve Machol]

leeuniverse said:
Also, like with the See Clearly Method, they have a BUNCH of testimonials on the free demo video and with the actual program.

Testimonials don't constitute scientific proof. Otherwise we'd all have to accept the fact that there are Ghosts, Extraterrestrials, Elvis and Yeti among us.

The simple fact is that these programs have no physiological basis, nor do have they passed any sort of double-blind (no pun intended) scientific study. (For good reason.)

Nonetheless I have no hope or intention of dissuading you from your beliefs any more than I could hope to dissuade others that they have been captured and experimented on by Alien beings. In the end, people believe what they want to believe.

I do have a question though. Do you remember how much you paid for this program?

leeuniverse said: Actually, what it is, is that the program that I got years ago, it was "similar" to the See Clearly Method, but they used Reading Glasses at either +1 2 3 or -1 2 3.

[vitalogy44]

leeuniverse said:
Uh, ya.... NOT! :finger:



No, not necessarily, namely given most of the reasons I give in a post above.
This is not "easy" stuff given peoples busy lives and lazy habits, and nor has it been FINALIZED into a fully effective program, not to mention because of all the skeptisism against it.
So, I can totally see why there isn't much about it.

I mean hell, some 60 years ago they had CLEAN AIR technology that could have been used to power automobiles through the steam engine.
Yet, a fully sound technology was squashed simply because it wasn't "perfect" at the time (it was NOISY).
So just because of the powers that be, we've been slowly killing ourselves for all these years with Carbon Monoxide.

Anyways......

Well, I'll just say that the simple FACT of how I lost my eyesite both times demonstrates to me that this "kind" of methodoly could work that I've been speaking of.

Also, like with the See Clearly Method, they have a BUNCH of testimonials on the free demo video and with the actual program.
And they have something like 4 eye doctors certifying that the program works.
I mean, a couple of the people nearly balled when telling their story's, and I don't think the doctors would be risking their professional images unless they were telling the truth and believed in the program.

Anyway, I'm going to test it with my other method and see what happens.
I don't care about all the "surface" stuff, so I'm just going to do what I think will be benefitial, and what will be will be.
It's all good, for there's nothing to fear but fear itself.

Small groups of scientists new that the world was "round" but people believed the earth was flat for YEARS and YEARS before they were finally knocked over the head with the truth.
Wether this will be one of those, who knows.
But the place not discovered is the road not traveled.

I'm not going to chop my eyes up when God created me just right, as long as I norish what is right.
You know the old saying, "use it or lose it". I believe this applys to the eyes as well.
So, I'm going to do what is necessary to find out FOR SURE, and not just rely on "idol speculation". :shiner:

It is America and you have the right to find out for yourself how wrong you are. If you want to waste your time go ahead, but you will eventually find out that the world is round--not flat!!

Save yourself some time and believe me--these methods don't work.
:finger:

[leeuniverse]

Do you remember how much you paid for this program?

I think it was like about a 100 bucks including shipping.

As to the rest you guys, I appreciate your "admonishments".
I believe the reason there is no data to support any of it is because there haven't been any significant studies done, with these newer methods.
It has only been a eye doctor here and there that have tried them out for themselves with a few patients and recieved good results.
Here's an example....
http://www.rebuildyourvision.com/from_the_doctors

Yes, from what I've seen there have been study's done with general visual therapy, but really nothing related to this stuff and as I mentioned it's simply been done with a few eye doctors at their discression, thus NO professional studies on it.

It's kind of like "Dynamic Muscle Tension".....
Charles Atlas years ago developed his own body using this methodology and even became famous for his body as well as sold the system to the public.
Yet today, NO-ONE especially Fitness professions in Western country's hardly knows about this system of training the body accept for some Martial Artists who have done it like I have, by first learning about it from the Eastern perspective.

No-one that I could find in the US (though there might be a few other peoples thesis's) has EVER done a professional study especially in Modern America on this Fitness method.
So guess what I did???

For my UnderGraduate Thesis I did a simple and controlled (as much as possible at the time) preliminary study on this method using my own methodology that I'd developed.
As a result, I acheived SIGNIFICANT results with my test subjects in Strength development and Muscle Mass development.

See my thesis and data here.....
http://www.leeuniverse.org/portfolio...nior_paper.doc
http://www.leeuniverse.org/portfolio...or_project.xls

Anyway, this is an example of something that works really well and is easy and scientifically sound, but no-body does it or knows about it accept for some of a special group of people namely Martial Artists, and ESPECIALLY haven't done any professional study's on it that I could find.
There of course might be something out there, but it's hidden away from public view, just as in my opinion is Natural Vision Therapy methods, as well as the other reasons that influence those methods from staying hidden like because of the Quakery of other methods as well as the Eye Care system itself, which Dynamic Muscles Tension methods don't even have bombarding it, yet IT TOO is un-known in the fitness community.
The eye care system deals with controlling a "sympton" NOT with healing the eyesite, so obviously there are going to be FEW examples of successful clients.
Yes, "Iso-metrics" are known which is similar to DT (though is rarely used, simply "mentioned" in education), but dynamic tension is no-where in public sight in education OR use, but IT WORKS.

Anyway, just some thoughts...... :D :cheers:

[Jo]

leeuniverse said:

Here's an example....
http://www.rebuildyourvision.com/from_the_doctors

Interesting to note that one of the Doctors who wrote a testimonial actually says that the method he supposesdly supports on www.rebuildyourvision is not vision therapy on his own professional website.

http://www.children-special-needs.or...n_therapy.html

What is NOT Vision Therapy?

The Bates Method is NOT Vision Therapy. The Bates Method was invented by W.H. Bates, an ophthalmologist who wrote Perfect Sight Without Glasses (New York, 1920). Meanwhile, Vision Therapy has been undergoing continual research and development by doctors of optometry throughout the twentieth century (well after 1920!) New developments have continued into the 21st century. For example, recent research by neuroscientists indicates that the brain is capable of much greater change in adulthood than previously thought.

The See Clearly Method is NOT Vision Therapy

Vision for Life self-help program is NOT Vision Therapy

Please note that Vision Therapy involves doctor supervision; medically supervised programs of therapeutic procedures; and the use of medically regulated devices, such as lenses and prisms.

Another, is a specialist in ocular pharmacology. None of his expertise involves vision therapy.

http://www.vsrc.uab.edu/bartlett.html

His research interests are in clinical ocular pharmacology, toxicology, and investigational drugs, with emphasis in external disease and glaucoma. Among the most significant of his research contributions include the clinical investigation of loteprednof and rimexolone, two new ophthalmic steroids with reduced propensity to elevate intraocular pressure; development of a model to identify high intraocular pressure responders for clinical research; the development of ophthalmic sprays as a novel drug delivery system for use in the pediatric population; and the initial human investigation of insulin eyedrops for the potential treatment of diabetes mellitus. He is currently investigating the pharmacologic properties of a new carboniz anhydrase inhibitor for treatment of glaucoma.

Another Doctor who is quoted by Vision For Life also states that programs intended to strengthen eye muscles are not vision therapy.

http://www.childrensvision.com/Efficacy.htm

Vision therapy typically involves a series of treatments during which carefully planned activities are carried out by the patient under professional supervision in order to relieve the visual problem. The specific procedures and instrumentation utilized are determined by the nature and severity of the diagnosed condition. Vision therapy is not instituted to simply strengthen eye muscles, but rather is generally done to treat functional deficiencies in order for the patient to achieve optimal efficiency and comfort.

The treatment may appear to be relatively uncomplicated, such as patching an eye as part of amblyopia therapy. Or, it may require complex infrared sensing devices and computers, which monitor eye position and provide feedback to the patient to reduce the uncontrolled jumping of an eye with nystagmus. Treatment of strabismus, or turned eye, can involve complex optical and electronic instruments or such simple devices as a penlight or a mirror. The particular procedures and instruments are dependent on the nature of the visual dysfunction and the doctor's clinical judgment.

You will also find the AOA, whose journal was often quoted, has found that there has been no proof that these methods work; although, they do encourage research in these areas.

http://www.aoa.org/index.asp

[leeuniverse]

There's two sides to every issue..... I understand what you have posted.

For me though it's simple.
Sitting stationary and staring at a TV and Computer Screen hours on end caused my body to degrade in the form of FAT, as well as my eyesite to also degrade, that hence tells me that there is a functional parallel to eyesite health just as there is to body health.

Key word is "functional"......

Wether these methods will work "for sure", I don't know until I try it, because simply little has been done with such "thoroughness" to find out FOR SURE as with a scientific study, for a reasonable person to say it's "impossible", because because they aren't "used to" or "familar" with it.
There has been NO scientic studies done on this stuff, there has only been "focus groups" with a few doctors over the years.
You guys are calling something "quackery" when you have no evidence against it scientifically, the only evidence you have is that you haven't SEEN people heeled by it, and people who don't know anything about it or have done it tell you it doesn't work.
So, even if these "particular" methods don't work which I think will in the way I've developed it, my theory will STILL be sound in that there IS a "functional" parallel to eyesite health and function.

After all, everyone knows that muscles are what help control the "standard" shape of the eye, in EVERY aspect, wether it is the ball itself or the lenses.

So clearly then, there IS a "natural" way.....

To give an analogy, modern eye techniques in order to improve vision is JUST LIKE a person who is interested in having Physical Health who then uses an artificial means such as "ROBOTICS" in order to improve their Strength by attaching robotic components in the form of glasses, or by cutting muscles and tendon's in the form of LASIK.

People are simply so "conditioned" to this archaic methodology in so-called "eye care", that they fail to see the illogic of such.