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    Quote Originally Posted by Happylady View Post
    Looking carefully at the xtractive flash to mirror on YouTube, they do seem to have a little more reflection than regular AR lenses in their clearest state. Are they sold mostly as sunglasses that will work as clear glasses rather than clear glasses that work as sunglasses?
    Exactly 100% correct. There are more reflections it seems like they are mirrored lenses but clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the Lab View Post
    I was also told today that the following was accurate:

    Glasses wearers with AR across the world:

    USA 23%
    Europe 70%
    Canada 80%
    Asia 90%
    Yay Canada!

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    Would love to have access to more Transitions colors. I agree with the above in that these 'trendier' colors would be more appealing to young folk.

    I also feel kinda bad for the clientele of an office that refuses to offer xtractive trans. Its a great product that many patients, especially those that are older, love and routinely repurchase. If the information is correctly relayed to the patient, they just might find having a bit of hue or tint indoors is very comfortable and having the tint change behind the windshield is of course the most desirable factor. In 5ish years of selling xtractive i can count 2(!) patients who returned for dislike of the indoor hue. To each their own right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friggy23 View Post
    Exactly 100% correct. There are more reflections it seems like they are mirrored lenses but clear.
    How are they at night?

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    Younger just released a grey polarised photochromic lens in the UK. Has anyone come across these before?
    Also the flash to mirror lenses are cool, we've been selling them since Silmo last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_S View Post
    Also the flash to mirror lendses are cool, we've been selling them since Silmo last year.
    They do look very cool. So do you sell them as a sunglasses that gets clear? Are they very expensive?

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    Redhot Jumper poor quality AR sold or better ARs' durability incorrectly touted by opticians

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamEye View Post

    Not just insurance, poor quality AR sold or better ARs' durability incorrectly touted by opticians or optical sales people. Nothing is scratch proof!
    Many patients that decline AR, on my end, is because their previous AR peeled, cracked, or came off and they don't want that problem again. Patient will still then complain about glare but while still refusing AR.


    Let's be frank .........................

    All AR coatings are made with the same basic product, called SIO2, which is basically glass.

    These coatings were originally applied on glass camera lenses to improve the picture quality in the 1930s.

    There was never a problem with adhesion to the lens, as the base materials were in the same family, called glass.

    When plastic lenses became popular in the early 1980s the problems started and AR coatings partially delaminated. That is when I came up with the first non dangerous AR stripper and made some good money over the years with it.

    The combination of glass added to the flexible plastic is simply a strange bedfellow and never worked properly. It needs a in between layer of material that permanently adheres to both, glass and plastic.

    One major optical company secured the supply of this material for themselves and started to dominate the market of AR coatings.

    In any country where opticians are still using glass lenses there is totally no problem with AR coatings until you scratch them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the Lab View Post

    I was also told today that the following was accurate:

    Glasses wearers with AR across the world:

    USA 23%
    Europe 70%
    Canada 80%
    Asia 90%

    Who ever came up with that one is dreaming in color.........................

    The Europe figure could maybe be close, but Canada is more likely the same as the USA.

    Asia with its hugely populated countries is only in a developing stage for modern glasses.
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    There's just no way 23% in the U.S. is accurate. I've heard low numbers from multiple lens reps, but all in the 40s and 50s.
    I'm Andrew Hamm and I approve this message.

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    Redhot Jumper Salesreps have learned to twist the truth ..................................

    Quote Originally Posted by AngeHamm View Post

    There's just no way 23% in the U.S. is accurate. I've heard low numbers from multiple lens reps, but all in the 40s and 50s.

    Salesreps have learned to twist the truth towards their own interest , that is old hat and was the same 50 years ago.
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    I know AR penetration is still relatively low compared to the other markets, here in the US. But my practice has moved from 50% to 80% since I joined back in November 16.

    *patting self on back*

    Thanks for the info on the other Trans though. This intrigues me. Looks to be built on the Essilor colors concept, only in photochromic.
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    Three things in the States that are needed to increase AR.

    First is to stop treating it as an add-on item. For VA, it is a necessity.
    Second is for insurance companies to provide better coverage for AR.
    Lastly, Backside AR is absolutely necessary on sunglasses for optimal performance! Ask any real optician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lensmanmd View Post
    Three things in the States that are needed to increase AR.

    First is to stop treating it as an add-on item. For VA, it is a necessity.
    Second is for insurance companies to provide better coverage for AR.
    Lastly, Backside AR is absolutely necessary on sunglasses for optimal performance! Ask any real optician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamEye View Post
    Not just insurance, poor quality AR sold or better ARs' durability incorrectly touted by opticians or optical sales people. Nothing is scratch proof!
    Many patients that decline AR, on my end, is because their previous AR peeled, cracked, or came off and they don't want that problem again. Patient will still then complain about glare but while still refusing AR.
    IMHO.... AR does not reduce glare....it reduces reflections off the surfaces of the lens. Polarized lenses reduce glare and if the plain of polarization is placed correctly only off of a horizontal surface. Be careful what you promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gilman View Post
    IMHO.... AR does not reduce glare....it reduces reflections off the surfaces of the lens. Polarized lenses reduce glare and if the plain of polarization is placed correctly only off of a horizontal surface. Be careful what you promise.
    +1
    To add to Don's post. AR reduces internal reflections and permits more light to pass through the lens, allowing better low light performance. It is not a glare reducer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lensmanmd View Post
    +1
    To add to Don's post. AR reduces internal reflections and permits more light to pass through the lens, allowing better low light performance. It is not a glare reducer.
    A big part of the reason I so resist the manufacturers wanting us to use the term "no-glare" That's not the correct phrasing at all. Stupid Lenscrafters hurt us here.
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    Both reduce glare, but different types of glare.

    How do specular reflections and ghost images reduce visual performance? These ghost images can serve as sources of glare within the visual field. Moreover, when the reflected glare source is large or defocused, it can produce a veiling glare over a large portion of the visual field. Since this reflected glare is added to the brightness of both the object of interest and its background, the difference in brightness between them remains constant. However, since the background brightness, which is the denominator of the contrast expression above, still increases, the contrast of the retinal image decreases.
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    AR reduces glare caused by the spectacle lenses themselves, not glare in the environment. That is how I describe it to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    AR reduces glare caused by the spectacle lenses themselves, not glare in the environment. That is how I describe it to people.
    I tell them that their eye balls will fall out if they do not get AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the Lab View Post

    I tell them that their eye balls will fall out if they do not get AR.
    Then we have to invent a *eye ball muscle strengthener* in a pill to prevent that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubendol View Post
    A big part of the reason I so resist the manufacturers wanting us to use the term "no-glare" That's not the correct phrasing at all. Stupid Lenscrafters hurt us here.
    +1. Using the term "glare" to describe reflections on the lenses themselves makes external glare MUCH more difficult to explain. That cuts into our polarized lens dispensing and muddies up patients' expectations for what AR lenses do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the Lab View Post
    I tell them that their eye balls will fall out if they do not get AR.
    "Ma'am I beg you to think of the children and get AR on your lenses, if you won't do it for you do it for the chidren. No child should have to grow up with a non AR adult in their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    AR reduces glare caused by the spectacle lenses themselves, not glare in the environment. That is how I describe it to people.
    Yes, but I find that many people in our business including doctors don't understand this. They think a plano lens with AR will help at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    AR reduces glare caused by the spectacle lenses themselves, not glare in the environment. That is how I describe it to people.
    That sounds good. I like to emphasize the transparency of coated optics.

    I was about age 10 when I saw this 60's commercial from Corning/Polaroid that showed the dangers (and disappointment) of glare in suburban America. At that time, my brother was grinding his own reflecting telescope mirrors, so we were getting pretty good at understanding the physics of light. You can be sure we were all wearing Polaroid flip-up sunglasses over our minus powered eyeglasses.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    "Ma'am I beg you to think of the children and get AR on your lenses, if you won't do it for you do it for the chidren. No child should have to grow up with a non AR adult in their life.
    With every AR purchase you will receive an official photo of the child that you saved in a famished foreign country.
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