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    Sean, have you thought of sending this info to cousin Robert who might be able to shed some light on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcjilson
    Sean, have you thought of sending this info to cousin Robert who might be able to shed some light on it?

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    I did.............. it's about two post's above ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    I have recently stumbled on some kind of program glitch with Innovations. It seems that if a SV stock lens order for a nylor frame is put through the kappa without first going through Innovations (as though being a order that needs to be surfaced) the kappa just plain refuses to groove. Is this a known problem or do you know of any fix ?

    If an order isn't processed by Innovations - that is, all it has is a tracing - the ETYP record (that's the OMA record in which one would specify "groove") will contain a question mark, which is the "unknown data indicator" according to the OMA standard. That certainly shouldn't prevent the edger from being set to groove manually. Can the edger be set to do a flat bevel in that case? I'm sorry I can't just go test this myself, but I'm not in the office, and won't be for a few days. I'll ask someone to investigate.

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    Yes.........the edger can be set to do a flat bevel and completes the task. It seem's the only thing i cannot do is groove.When i manually set the edger to groove it goes through the entire edging process then when it comes time to groove the pin bevel wheel comes out then stops as it's about to come in contact whith the lens. Any input you have would be great !
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    Ahh, that you did, I just missed it! sorry, I'll pay better attention after I've met Ava!
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    I'm still not back in the office, but they tell me this: To work around this problem, select a custom groove and modify the grooving depth. Press start and the edger will process the lens.

    Apparently, the issue is that the edger in this case doesn't know the groove dimensions. We can set Innovations to provide groove dimensions in those cases in which they're not otherwise specified. Can you send me your e-mail address please?

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    Thank You !
    I will give this a go this A.M. as i have some nylor jobs that are in line to be edged. I will let you know how i make out. Thanks once again for your help and quick repley on this.:)
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    Crier It went well untill.............................

    The edger went through all the steps ,cut , flat bevel .......then put a groove about 2/10"s of a mil.Then proceded to polish ........everything went fine up to that point. After the polish cycle the wheel came up to lens to groove and stalled, and gave me an error code of A8~7 :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    The edger went through all the steps ,cut , flat bevel .......then put a groove about 2/10"s of a mil.Then proceded to polish ........everything went fine up to that point. After the polish cycle the wheel came up to lens to groove and stalled, and gave me an error code of A8~7 :(
    What values did you enter for groove width & depth?

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    I tried changing the values for each on separate occasions. I moved the specified values by .05 to see if i could get a different outcome. I even tried eliminating the polish cycle to no avail.........it still want's to come up for a second time and stalls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    I tried changing the values for each on separate occasions. I moved the specified values by .05 to see if i could get a different outcome. I even tried eliminating the polish cycle to no avail.........it still want's to come up for a second time and stalls.
    I'm thinking that you may be using values that are out of range for the machine. I'm pretty sure that 0.05mm is outside its resolution. That's why I'd like to know what values you're using.

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    Hope this is what you need.......................

    Groove depth .60
    Groove Width .80
    Groove% 40
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    Thumbs up I should have done this in a more timely manner.....

    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum
    I'm thinking that you may be using values that are out of range for the machine. I'm pretty sure that 0.05mm is outside its resolution. That's why I'd like to know what values you're using.
    I just wanted to say thank you for all your help with this matter.The values that you sent to me do indeed fix this. Again thanks for all of your time and effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    I just wanted to say thank you for all your help with this matter.The values that you sent to me do indeed fix this. Again thanks for all of your time and effort.
    It's all part of the service, and thank you for shopping with Gerber Coburn.

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    You Just have to Love a Kappa
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    :) Helping people see one at a time.

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    Kappa Edger

    I worked with one in a small private practice in NYC. THe owner and I had gotten thoroughly frustrated with the Novamatic patternless we were working /fighting with. I suggested selling the novamatic to a boater who might need a mooring anchor. Inside of a few hours the machine was cutting beautiful jobs. Inside of a few days working with it you could almost make it sing. Regular bevels were beautiful, normal nylon mount rimless were great. Took a while to perfect settings for strip titanium and Ait Titanium Rim frames...either a wider groove or a deeper and wider groove needed once we wrote a cheat sheet, all was fantastic
    If at all possible set up this or for that matter ANY machine for fresh water plumbing rather than a recirculating bucket. I used a fabric bag inside of a holding tank and a pump with float switch to pump the water overboard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_Optician
    I worked with one in a small private practice in NYC. THe owner and I had gotten thoroughly frustrated with the Novamatic patternless we were working /fighting with. I suggested selling the novamatic to a boater who might need a mooring anchor. Inside of a few hours the machine was cutting beautiful jobs. Inside of a few days working with it you could almost make it sing. Regular bevels were beautiful, normal nylon mount rimless were great. Took a while to perfect settings for strip titanium and Ait Titanium Rim frames...either a wider groove or a deeper and wider groove needed once we wrote a cheat sheet, all was fantastic
    If at all possible set up this or for that matter ANY machine for fresh water plumbing rather than a recirculating bucket. I used a fabric bag inside of a holding tank and a pump with float switch to pump the water overboard

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    Welcome back Sean! How's things down South?

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    Kappa edger/gerber products

    Ive used a kappa for 3 years now. I've had to fix it 6 times now. Not a big deal, it produced great results. The motor that lifts the groove unit went out. Gerber wanted 600 bucks i think. It turns out it was just the optical encoder that mounts to the back of the motor. no big deal, it costed 60 bucks. Gerber tech support stinks...its better to figure it out yourself.

    Does anyone have a recomendation on what retail software best integrates with innovations? Let me know

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    Innovations integration

    I believe CC Systems now has a retail program and I know that they had used the innovations platform for their surfacing program.

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    [QUOTE=jessecd]Ive used a kappa for 3 years now. I've had to fix it 6 times now. Not a big deal, it produced great results. The motor that lifts the groove unit went out. Gerber wanted 600 bucks i think. It turns out it was just the optical encoder that mounts to the back of the motor. no big deal, it costed 60 bucks. Gerber tech support stinks...its better to figure it out yourself.

    I am going to get the new Kapa edger with drill unit even thou I don't know how to fix any Gerber equipement!

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    Try the Briot

    Ruth, If your doing alot of dril mounts-take a look at the Briot Axcell CLD. Interested in a live demonstration or chat on the phone about capabilities?

    . The Kappa and the Briot Access CL have been suggested to me. I am somewhat of a perfectionist; I prefer an edger that can consistently cut jobs on axis (not just "close enough"). We do a lot of drill mounts, so axis is really critical. Anyone have any comments? Thanks![/QUOTE]

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    Hands down the Kappa CTD is a superior drilling edger over the Briot Accell. Kappa can drill perpendicular to the lense surface, has the best pin bevel available, the smallest edging capability on the market, etc., etc....

    Call your local rep at 800-843-0379 at GerberCoburn. Visit www.Gerbercoburn.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumbs
    Hands down the Kappa CTD is a superior drilling edger over the Briot Accell. Kappa can drill perpendicular to the lense surface, has the best pin bevel available, the smallest edging capability on the market, etc., etc....

    Call your local rep at 800-843-0379 at GerberCoburn. Visit www.Gerbercoburn.com
    Do you work for Gerber?

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