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    Sorry to continue an old thread, but didn't see a more recent one.

    Can someone sum up the reasoning for this ruling? Did Clearly win because the "web transaction" takes place outside of Quebec or is it specifically BC where there are virtually no regulations? In other words, had Clearly been in any other province or would the ruling have been the same? How about somewhere in the US?

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    Redhot Jumper the rest of Canada might just collapse in the way of optical regulations.............


    Can someone sum up the reasoning for this ruling? Did Clearly win because the "web transaction" takes place outside of Quebec or is it specifically BC where there are virtually no regulations?


    Clearly,will continue to offer online optical retail sales to consumers in Québec.After a ruling by the province’s Court of Appeals on Monday, May 16, 2016, in acase initiated by the Ordre des Optométristes du Québec, Clearly’s mission toprovide better vision for consumers in Québec will continue unabated.
    Optometrists and Opticians associations are in charge to regulate a Province.

    Clearly located in Vancouver BC officially is only allowed to sell officially only into a territory, that is not regulated.

    British Columbia is not regulated now for the last 3-4 years
    so they can produce and sell there, and Quebec got deregulated a years ago and is also open territory.

    In Ontario it could happen this year as there is some serious action going on. If Ontario does get deregulated, the rest of Canada might just collapse in the way of optical regulations.

    Then you would have country wide free for all in online eyeglasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Optometrists and Opticians associations are in charge to regulate a Province.

    Clearly located in Vancouver BC officially is only allowed to sell officially only into a territory, that is not regulated.

    British Columbia is not regulated now for the last 3-4 years
    so they can produce and sell there, and Quebec got deregulated a years ago and is also open territory.

    In Ontario it could happen this year as there is some serious action going on. If Ontario does get deregulated, the rest of Canada might just collapse in the way of optical regulations.

    Then you would have country wide free for all in online eyeglasses.
    It will happen in Ontario eventually as it is the largest province and is where the 'mass' consumers are. The other provinces have simply been test markets up until now. Apparently not even the courts give a hoot, so its become open season.

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    Blue Jumper The intentions are to open it all the way...............................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    It will happen in Ontario eventually as it is the largest province and is where the 'mass' consumers are. The other provinces have simply been test markets up until now. Apparently not even the courts give a hoot, so its become open season.

    ........yes it has been open season for a while and going faster by the minute.


    The intentions are to open it all the way. See at the price giving thread I posted a few days ago and which had only 60 viewers so far, because I did not want to offend anybody, as some similar threads have.

    It is right here: just click ===> awarded to PlenOptika in the United States for their QuickSee handheld autorefractor


    This instrument will probably be made and spread worldwide in the shortest time possible, by the largest optical network.

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    Blue Jumper Ontario's opticians and optometrists are seeing red .................................

    The Toronto Star

    Clearly, there's more to merger than meets the eye: Wells


    Ontario's opticians and optometrists are seeing red, accusing prescription-lens dealer Clearly of skirting the law.

    By JENNIFER WELLS Business Columnist
    Sat., March 4, 2017

    Measured against the Brobdingnagian merger news out of Europe,the faint cry from the College of Opticians of Ontarioand the College of Optometrists of Ontario hardly registered.
    Let’s take the merger first. Essilor International is a French-based prescription-lens maker. It’s likely you’ve never heard of them. It’s also likely that your prescription glasses are fitted up with the company’s lenses. Essilor is huge. With revenues last year nudging$10 billion, the company is the largest prescription-lens supplier in theworld. In 2014, Essilorpurchased Vancouver-based retailer Coastal Contacts Inc., an online optical retailer that operates under the name Clearly.

    Here’s another name that likely won’t ring any bells: Luxottica.Where Essilor is big in lenses, Luxottica, as the name suggests, is big in the luxe look of frames. Ray-Ban. Tory Burch. Chanel. Prada. The list of brand names owned by Luxottica is ridiculously long. On Wednesday, the Milan-based eyewear giant released its 2016 financials, with an eye-popping $12.6 billion in revenues and $1.2 billion in net income.


    In January, the two announced their pending marriage, which has not yet cleared antitrust approval. It appears a seamless match. The words“world domination” come to mind.

    In an analysts’ call Thursday, Luxottica CEO Massimo Vian extolled the promise of “coupling brand management with eye care,a crucial pillar in our model to achieve vertical integration.” The merger would allow the combined company to “put our foot on the gas and accelerate ourvision of making a complete pair: frame and lenses together . . . Consumers Craving personalization and speed will get the most perfect fit delivered in a short period of time with better end-to-end service. This is where we believe the combined magic is.” The company’s retail channels include LensCrafters and Pearle Vision.

    Lenses, contacts, frames: they’re all on a global growth curve and online sales are the fastest-growing channel.

    Here’s where the experts come in. Just before Christmas,Ontario’s two colleges — optometrists and opticians — applied for a court injunction seeking to prohibit Clearly from sidestepping Ontario regulations governing the preparation and delivery of prescription eyewear. “So far as the dispensing of prescription eyewear, the health-care professionals who are authorized are opticians, optometrists and physicians,” says Paula Garshowitz,registrar with the College of Optometrists of Ontario. “Those rules are in place to protect the public.”

    Garshowitz wants to be clear on this point:“We’re not saying it can’t be done legally using the Internet,” she says. What The group is saying is that an authorized practitioner legally has to be part of the dispensing process, citing the potential risks, for example, if improperly fitted contact lenses — corneal ulcers and infections being two.

    Essilor Canada Will not say whether it has retained legal counsel. “There’s no further comment on that,” says Essilor Canada Communications manager Sanaz Malekeh. “It’s a legal matter and we have absolutely nothing else to share and no statement to make.” In a December 2016 press release, Essilor Canada Said it “respects the decision of the Colleges to seek the court’s opinion regarding the role of optical e-commerce in Ontario . . . the Essilor Group is fully committed to complying with laws, regulations and requirements in all the countries where it operates.”
    Garshowitz says there was a point of communication between the colleges and the company. “We’ve Engaged with Essilor Group Canada and attempted to reach a resolution and we didn’t reach one, so now it’s become necessary to ask the courts to require Clearly to comply with Ontario Law.”

    Essilor declined to quantify its market-share position in Canada. At the time of its takeover of Coastal Contacts in 2014, the Competition Bureau noted that Essilor “currently accounts for a significant share of the prescription lenses supplied to retailers in Canada.”

    On Wednesday, Clearly announced a same-day contact-lens delivery option, “ASAP,” within the city of Vancouver,adding that it’s the first optical retailer to offer such a service in North America.

    The business case, of course, fits smartly with the demands of today’s consumer. In the view of the colleges, customer care has been lost along the way.

    A similar fight was waged by the College of Opticians Of British Columbia Against the same company in 2008. In that case, Coastal was successful in winning legislative change. As it now stands, only the initial fitting and dispensing has to be performed by an optician, an optometrist or ophthalmologist. Patients in that province are now able to order online without giving the seller a copy of their prescription.

    That’s not supposed to be the case in Ontario. “To our understanding, Clearly does not require a valid prescription,” says Garshowitz. A spokesperson for Clearly in Vancouver was not able to confirm whether that’s the case in time for this column. “If you have any questions about the process I’m sure you can go through the process and order and look at the process for yourself,” says Essilor’s Malekeh. So I did. According to the confirmation email, my prescription glasses should be here in two weeks’ time. No questions asked.

    source: =========>
    https://www.thestar.com/business/201...eye-wells.html




    Last edited by Chris Ryser; 03-04-2017 at 01:56 PM.

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    Redhot Jumper Last Clearly Publication ..........................

    5 Tech Innovations that Will Change the Way We See in 2017


    • Published on March 2, 2017
    • Roy Hessel, CEO at Clearly and Founder, CEO at EyeBuyDirect




    Glasses are one of our oldest wearable technologies, but innovation has been slow coming. Eyewear has become smaller, lighter, and less expensive to produce — but for the most part, it still just bends rays of light. But thanks to a unique convergence of new tech, consumer economics and the optical demands of the digital age, the way we see is poised for fundamental changes in 2017.

    Glasses that thwart digital dangers

    The majority of Americans now report at least some of the symptoms of so-called “digital eye strain,” which can include things like headache, blurred vision and trouble sleeping through the night. Research has strongly implicated the blue portion of the light emitted by digital screens in at least partially causing such problems — which is worrying, when you realize that the average young American is spending about 11 hours in front of such screens every day.


    continue reading: ===========>


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5-tec...017-roy-hessel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    The Toronto Star

    Clearly, there's more to merger than meets the eye: Wells


    Ontario's opticians and optometrists are seeing red, accusing prescription-lens dealer Clearly of skirting the law.

    By JENNIFER WELLS Business Columnist
    Sat., March 4, 2017

    Measured against the Brobdingnagian merger news out of Europe,the faint cry from the College of Opticians of Ontarioand the College of Optometrists of Ontario hardly registered.
    Let’s take the merger first. Essilor International is a French-based prescription-lens maker. It’s likely you’ve never heard of them. It’s also likely that your prescription glasses are fitted up with the company’s lenses. Essilor is huge. With revenues last year nudging$10 billion, the company is the largest prescription-lens supplier in theworld. In 2014, Essilorpurchased Vancouver-based retailer Coastal Contacts Inc., an online optical retailer that operates under the name Clearly.

    Here’s another name that likely won’t ring any bells: Luxottica.Where Essilor is big in lenses, Luxottica, as the name suggests, is big in the luxe look of frames. Ray-Ban. Tory Burch. Chanel. Prada. The list of brand names owned by Luxottica is ridiculously long. On Wednesday, the Milan-based eyewear giant released its 2016 financials, with an eye-popping $12.6 billion in revenues and $1.2 billion in net income.


    In January, the two announced their pending marriage, which has not yet cleared antitrust approval. It appears a seamless match. The words“world domination” come to mind.

    In an analysts’ call Thursday, Luxottica CEO Massimo Vian extolled the promise of “coupling brand management with eye care,a crucial pillar in our model to achieve vertical integration.” The merger would allow the combined company to “put our foot on the gas and accelerate ourvision of making a complete pair: frame and lenses together . . . Consumers Craving personalization and speed will get the most perfect fit delivered in a short period of time with better end-to-end service. This is where we believe the combined magic is.” The company’s retail channels include LensCrafters and Pearle Vision.

    Lenses, contacts, frames: they’re all on a global growth curve and online sales are the fastest-growing channel.

    Here’s where the experts come in. Just before Christmas,Ontario’s two colleges — optometrists and opticians — applied for a court injunction seeking to prohibit Clearly from sidestepping Ontario regulations governing the preparation and delivery of prescription eyewear. “So far as the dispensing of prescription eyewear, the health-care professionals who are authorized are opticians, optometrists and physicians,” says Paula Garshowitz,registrar with the College of Optometrists of Ontario. “Those rules are in place to protect the public.”

    Garshowitz wants to be clear on this point:“We’re not saying it can’t be done legally using the Internet,” she says. What The group is saying is that an authorized practitioner legally has to be part of the dispensing process, citing the potential risks, for example, if improperly fitted contact lenses — corneal ulcers and infections being two.

    Essilor Canada Will not say whether it has retained legal counsel. “There’s no further comment on that,” says Essilor Canada Communications manager Sanaz Malekeh. “It’s a legal matter and we have absolutely nothing else to share and no statement to make.” In a December 2016 press release, Essilor Canada Said it “respects the decision of the Colleges to seek the court’s opinion regarding the role of optical e-commerce in Ontario . . . the Essilor Group is fully committed to complying with laws, regulations and requirements in all the countries where it operates.”
    Garshowitz says there was a point of communication between the colleges and the company. “We’ve Engaged with Essilor Group Canada and attempted to reach a resolution and we didn’t reach one, so now it’s become necessary to ask the courts to require Clearly to comply with Ontario Law.”

    Essilor declined to quantify its market-share position in Canada. At the time of its takeover of Coastal Contacts in 2014, the Competition Bureau noted that Essilor “currently accounts for a significant share of the prescription lenses supplied to retailers in Canada.”

    On Wednesday, Clearly announced a same-day contact-lens delivery option, “ASAP,” within the city of Vancouver,adding that it’s the first optical retailer to offer such a service in North America.

    The business case, of course, fits smartly with the demands of today’s consumer. In the view of the colleges, customer care has been lost along the way.

    A similar fight was waged by the College of Opticians Of British Columbia Against the same company in 2008. In that case, Coastal was successful in winning legislative change. As it now stands, only the initial fitting and dispensing has to be performed by an optician, an optometrist or ophthalmologist. Patients in that province are now able to order online without giving the seller a copy of their prescription.

    That’s not supposed to be the case in Ontario. “To our understanding, Clearly does not require a valid prescription,” says Garshowitz. A spokesperson for Clearly in Vancouver was not able to confirm whether that’s the case in time for this column. “If you have any questions about the process I’m sure you can go through the process and order and look at the process for yourself,” says Essilor’s Malekeh. So I did. According to the confirmation email, my prescription glasses should be here in two weeks’ time. No questions asked.

    source: =========>
    https://www.thestar.com/business/201...eye-wells.html




    Like it or not, it's near impossible to stop a freight train. Consumers have a choice of where they want to purchase. That said, I don't see the online sector growing that big for eyewear. People will always want to deal with people in the end.

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    Redhot Jumper With the development of a usable good, autorefractor .......................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    Like it or not, it's near impossible to stop a freight train. Consumers have a choice of where they want to purchase. That said, I don't see the online sector growing that big for eyewear. People will always want to deal with people in the end.

    Yes, these people will buy online and then go to the opticians for adjustments and have their glasses cleaned and serviced.

    There are also 8.000 stores in the Luxottica chain worldwide, with over 2,000 +++ of them on this Continent, that can be appointed to service the online purchased glasses.

    With the development of a usable good, autorefractor made by Essilor, as per my other thread, for the run of the mill regular glasses no more specialised eye tests will be needed, with the exception of medical attention.

    If optical retailers would charge cost plus service, they could even compete with on liners at the original selling price, and the service charge according to their own professional capability and experience.

    In a system as such, the good and experienced optical retailer would be a clear winner, and in my opinion not earn any less income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Yes, these people will buy online and then go to the opticians for adjustments and have their glasses cleaned and serviced.

    There are also 8.000 stores in the Luxottica chain worldwide, with over 2,000 +++ of them on this Continent, that can be appointed to service the online purchased glasses.

    With the development of a usable good, autorefractor made by Essilor, as per my other thread, for the run of the mill regular glasses no more specialised eye tests will be needed, with the exception of medial attention.

    If optical retailers would charge cost plus service, they could even compete with one liners at the original selling price, and the service charge according to their own professional capability and experience.

    In a system as such, the good and experienced optical retailer would be a clear winner, and in my opinion not earn any less income.
    If OD's and Opticians had joined forces, bonded and worked together under the same roof decades ago rather than be selfish and greedy enemies, the damage being caused now and in the future would have been mitigated. It would have been a beautiful marriage complete with marketplace domination.

    The Colleges governing both sides and their huge egos are also to blame for fueling their politics of independence and not allowing the two O's to work together in harmony, because that would have been too simple and effective right?

    Now a company with the knowledge, supply chain, infrastructure, smarts and capital comes along and fills that huge gap of market opportunity. It was bound to happen eventually in my opinion, so good for them.

    Boycotting or canceling their sponsorship funds is too little too late for the Colleges and Associations, they will be back begging very soon, because they won't survive on membership or food stamps.

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    Redhot Jumper This is not the first time it happened in Canada....................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    Now a company with the knowledge, supply chain, infrastructure, smarts and capital comes along and fills that huge gap of market opportunity. It was bound to happen eventually in my opinion, so good for them.

    Just for the record ..............................

    This is not the first time it happened in Canada. There is still the time to remember when another big company tried and nearly succeeded to dominate the whole optical retail, as well as the wholesale market. They controlled about 30% of the Canadian optical retail.

    However their corrupt system failed in the mid 1980's and they, "Imperial Optical" disappeared from the map.

    The new wave is more powerful, and knows what they are doing and planning for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Just for the record ..............................

    This is not the first time it happened in Canada. There is still the time to remember when another big company tried and nearly succeeded to dominate the whole optical retail, as well as the wholesale market. They controlled about 30% of the Canadian optical retail.

    However their corrupt system failed in the mid 1980's and they, "Imperial Optical" disappeared from the map.

    The new wave is more powerful, and knows what they are doing and planning for the future.
    Because of greed. Imperial was a pure debacle of living beyond the means.

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    Redhot Jumper These days it is no more greed. These days it is survival....................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Insight View Post

    Because of greed. Imperial was a pure debacle of living beyond the means.

    These days it is no more greed. These days it is survival and performance of these major corporations plus their responsibility towards their shareholders.

    I fully understand that they have no other choice than going forward as fast as they can, in a steam roller fashion.

    The next few years will be very interesting, the older generation, the non computer savvy, of the population will be dying off and the next one becomes the needy for eyeglasses.

    This generation will be doing more and more purchasing on line as time progresses, because it is cheaper and gets delivered to your address. You only have to see a specialist if there is a problem or question.

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