Could we boycott this frame.....please

[KM]

Not just one frame, but a design. You know which one.
It is among the top breakage makers for the labs.
Sure, it looks innocent enough; just a metal frame. But it's eyewire can barely open because it is attached behind
another SOLID eyewire. know the one?
It leaves no room for bevel placement, and has low clearance for any lens thickness.

As optical workers we have always accepted any frame design thrown at us
no matter the cost to the bottom line or our sanity.

I've been through the agonizing era of drill mounted glass lenses
before cr-39 or poly were in common use. Then came the groove mount.
Today, we have compression mounts, and groove mount frames (without the plastic spline to cushion the lens )
to challenge us.

But Now - this Double Eyewired Contraption - they call a frame.

It can make even the technologically advanced lab cringe.

Could we boycott this thing ..........please

(while this is partially in jest, I would appreciate any serious feedback or advice on these frames )

[Barry Santini]

Get an ME1200.
No problems

[Now I See]

Not just one frame, but a design. You know which one.
It is among the top breakage makers for the labs.
Sure, it looks innocent enough; just a metal frame. But it's eyewire can barely open because it is attached behind
another SOLID eyewire. know the one?
It leaves no room for bevel placement, and has low clearance for any lens thickness.

As optical workers we have always accepted any frame design thrown at us
no matter the cost to the bottom line or our sanity.

I've been through the agonizing era of drill mounted glass lenses
before cr-39 or poly were in common use. Then came the groove mount.
Today, we have compression mounts, and groove mount frames (without the plastic spline to cushion the lens )
to challenge us.

But Now - this Double Eyewired Contraption - they call a frame.

It can make even the technologically advanced lab cringe.

Could we boycott this thing ..........please

(while this is partially in jest, I would appreciate any serious feedback or advice on these frames )

LOL...I know the one! And it's either the high minus or high plus patient that wants it....never the low powers! I do try to look at the construction before I buy...however, I have been caught up in the oh-my-gosh-that-is-the-best-frame-ever moment and purchased a crazy frame, then when I tried to mount the lenses thought...what the heck was I thinking?? I really think those who design frames like that have never put an actual prescription lens in them!

[theGross1]

LOL...I know the one! And it's either the high minus or high plus patient that wants it....never the low powers! I do try to look at the construction before I buy...however, I have been caught up in the oh-my-gosh-that-is-the-best-frame-ever moment and purchased a crazy frame, then when I tried to mount the lenses thought...what the heck was I thinking?? I really think those who design frames like that have never put an actual prescription lens in them!

I couldn't agree with you more. I do appreciate a good challenge at the edger from time to time.

[cocoisland58]

When I was a buyer I wouldn't carry those even though I liked the look. It wasn't worth hearing the lab guy swear up a storm from the back. We carry them where I am now and I do sell them in low powers. Whenever a lens needs to be re-inserted in office guess who gets the honor? Ugh.

[Barry Santini]

Fact: frames/jobs that used to drive me crazy with edging and lens mounting no longer do since I got my ME-1200.

B

[KM]

Barry, as always, thank you for your insight.

It is a sad day when we need a $50k -$100k edger to put sv lenses in a $24 frame just because a frame was not designed "user friendly" or dare I say "not practical".

Don't take me wrong, I love technology. In fact I have built my own cnc generator as a hobby.

[Plausible]

Fact: frames/jobs that used to drive me crazy with edging and lens mounting no longer do since I got my ME-1200.

B

Please Barry do tell what is your bevel recipie for an eyewire that can barely open because it is soldiered behind another SOLID eyewire. We run these on occasion and have found that the lens base needed for this type of frame is to match the frames front and place / edge the bevel flush front. A 1/3 2/3 or 50/50 bevel placement is virtually impossible as the solid front eyewire leaves no room for any lens thickness in front of the eyewire. If there is ever a time for a picture of your ME 1200's work along with an explaination this would be it. Have a great day!!!

[Johns]

This is a great illustration of how frame buying is more than picking out pretty frames.

[jonathan barber]

I really think those who design frames like that have never put an actual prescription lens in them!

HAHA!!! Love it! I find myself saying this all the time when trying to mount a lens in these type of frames.

[Robert_S]

I agree that this is incredibly annoying, but I have something even more irritating:

Do you know those frames (mostly small or kids frames) that have the joint for the screw in the way of where you need to fit the lens?

[njeyedr]

As an optometrist who does my own lab work, I thought I was I was doing something wrong. I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes this design.

[uncut]

Fact: frames/jobs that used to drive me crazy with edging and lens mounting no longer do since I got my ME-1200.

B

Nice! I'm glad you are having success, but is it with the very discerning eye of the dispenser's part that has contributed to the success of the product, by judicious elimination of problem RXs in the first place?

[MikeAurelius]

LMAO!! Now try it with a glass lens!!

I've totally banned these frame from my facility. When they come in (and they do), I turn them right around and send them back to the dispenser/optician for a different selection.

[Plausible]

LMAO!! Now try it with a glass lens!!

I've totally banned these frame from my facility. When they come in (and they do), I turn them right around and send them back to the dispenser/optician for a different selection.

Hello Mike, even with a glass lenses why wouldn't selecting the lens base to match the frames front and edge the bevel flush front work?

[MikeAurelius]

Hello Mike, even with a glass lenses why wouldn't selecting the lens base to match the frames front and edge the bevel flush front work?

Because glass doesn't "give" like plastic does. Even rolling the peak of the bevel doesn't help (much). They are too damn much trouble to deal with.

[Plausible]

They are difficult I agree, I was thinking that the glass edgers may not have the bevel wheels with "small" enough bevels to fit the small narrow eyewires that often accompany these frame styles. I am hopeful though that Barry can come through with a beveling explaination and some pictures to show us what we are missing by not having a ME 1200.

[optical24/7]

I'm not Barry, (Though I play him on TV ), But if you have an edger that you can reduce the "A" .10mm or so and set the bevel to match the frames BC makes it much easier. ( Along with sometimes flattening the bevel peak as Mike alluded to).

[chevypow]

Oh yea love to hate that frame! Our optical will sell anything... I cut it at -.05mm to -.10mm smaller than most metals and that works good for me. Sorry not to sound like Barry but i use a LE 1000 and have done it many times on Briot CX. Also try to keep them in poly!

[DrHass]

Can someone post a picture of what you are talking about? I am having trouble visualizing this.

[SeaU2020]

I know what you are talking about....I don't even work in a lab and I hate this design. Had a children's frame like that and had to warranty it twice...had to send it to the lab to switch them out for me. I could not get the lenses out. Now I won't buy those or 3 piece with nuts and bolts anymore.

[pezfaerie]

Fact: frames/jobs that used to drive me crazy with edging and lens mounting no longer do since I got my ME-1200.

B

+1

The lenses fit. Everytime. In every material. Like buttah. ;)

[idispense]

TY for saving me the trouble. I brought one of those in yesterday and briefly examined it and had some edging doubts , but you have just convinced me to return the frame . I have been down that road before and do not wish to revisit it. I did not even like the rimlon designs where the end of the cord is melted into a knot.

[Plausible]

+1

the lenses fit. Everytime. In every material. Like buttah. ;)

this thread is worthless without pics!!!

[MikeAurelius]

+1

The lenses fit. Everytime. In every material. Like buttah. ;)

Gotta call B.S., not every material. Just plastics.