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    An interesting read from Slate magazine-



    Keep Tipping Your Servers

    Owners of Applebees, Denny’s, and Papa John’s are whining about Obamacare. Don’t take them seriously.

    By Matthew Yglesias|Posted Friday, Nov. 16, 2012, at 3:08 PM ET

    A Denny's franchise owner has decided to charge an "Obamacare" surcharge to his customers
    Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images.



    The No. 1 consequence of Obama’s re-election is that it essentially guarantees his signature health care law will be implemented. And not everyone is happy about it. Zane Tankel owns about 40 Applebees franchises. He says that as a result of the law’s penalties on employers who don’t offer health insurance to their workforce “we won’t build more restaurants, we won’t hire more people.” John Metz owns about 40 Denny’s outlets, several Dairy Queens, and is the brains behind the Hurricane Grill & Wings chain is even blunter. He says he’ll be tacking a 5 percent surcharge onto customers’ bills in order to defray the costs of Obamacare.

    If you’re not happy about that surcharge, he’s got an answer for you. Cranky customers “can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare.”

    These guys are being jerks, but they’re helpfully bringing to light what was obscured during the original debate over the health care bill—rich businessmen don’t like it because it raises their taxes. The Republican Party is very sensitive to the views of rich businessmen, and so they didn’t like the health care bill. The debate, unfortunately, got bogged down in a lot of nonsense about death panels and socialism rather than focusing on the brass tacks stuff that matters. Low-income workers—the kind of people likely to be working as servers at Denny’s—really will see huge benefits from the law. And the kind of people who own dozens of chain restaurant franchises really will suffer, at least a bit.

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    The main issue facing chain restaurant owners is the law’s “employer responsibility” provision. If you’re a small employer with fewer than 25 employees, the Affordable Care Act is extremely generous to you and you’ll get special subsidies to help make an insurance plan for your workers affordable. But if you have over 50 employees, then it’s another matter. If everyone on your payroll already gets group health insurance, you’re in the clear. If they don’t, but they’re all paid enough to buy insurance on the new insurance exchanges without a subsidy, then you’re also in the clear. But if you’re employing low-wage workers who’ll get subsidies for their new insurance plans, then you’re going to get taxed to the tune of $2,000 a worker.

    For a few categories of employer, this is supposed to encourage businesses to offer health insurance. But in many cases, especially in the food service sector, it’ll be much cheaper to pay the tax than to add a more generous benefits package. Naturally employers don’t like that.

    But what’s the scale of the issue here?

    John Schnatter, CEO of Papa John’s and a major Mitt Romney donor and fundraiser, gave us a hint in an August call with shareholders when he complained that it would raise costs about 11 to 14 cents per pizza. That’s peanuts. Between variations in sales taxes, fluctuations in ingredient costs, and place-to-place differences in rents, any food chain is used to dealing with price swings on this magnitude. At worst, an increase in labor costs along these lines is going to mean that cash wages in the service sector grow at a modestly slower rate for the next year or two.

    That said, there is good reason to be generally skeptical of the idea that legislative fiat can increase workers’ compensation. Compensation is ultimately going to be driven by productivity, not the whims of Congress. But if there was ever a good time to give it a shot, it’s probably now. The labor compensation share of overall economic output has historically fluctuated in a narrow range, but it fell steadily in the post-dot-com era before completely collapsing during the Great Recession. The existence of a glut of unemployed workers during the past few years of recovery has prevented the fruits of economic growth from being shared with most workers. Consequently, after-tax corporate profits as a share of GDP have soared to a record level.

    In other words, if there was ever a time when firms were prepared to eat higher costs because of reduced profits that time is today.

    Indeed, evidence from San Francisco suggests we should be very suspicious of firms pleading poverty as they charge surcharges. The city adopted pioneering universal health care legislation that, like Obamacare, imposed higher costs on some classes of employers. Many of them responded with special health care surcharges. Upon investigation, much of this surcharge money just ended up in the pockets of business owners, as with any other price increase.

    There’s not necessarily anything wrong with that. The fees airlines charge for extra checked bags aren’t in any literal sense pegged to the cost of baggage handling. It’s just a way of raising prices on some customers. That’s business. If Denny’s thinks it’ll make more money by raising prices 5 percent, they’re free to do so and call it whatever they want. Maybe specifically blaming Obama for price hikes with a special surcharge will make customers feel better about paying more, or maybe whining will drive liberal customers away. But there’s no reason to take this any more seriously than any other marketing gimmick.

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    Yup. Profits will go down, so they cry poverty and try to find ways to blame it on someone else and/or look for ways to get those profits back up without increasing prices. Shameful.

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    I really hate that companies don't hire full time just to save on benefits. when I returned to the US from the UK, I had to have 5 part time jobs, my wife 4 just to pay bills. it is a load of ****. FT people work better, are better trained and more relaxed, thus leading to more productivity, you are hurting your business and patients by not using FT people.

    All other western civilized countries provide their people with healthcare, as do many of the 'third world' ones. We need health care. it will save billions in tax costs, every time an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, we foot the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johns View Post
    No, being "handled by the feds" means they are directing it, and I am paying for it. Where's the freedom in that? Where's my choice?

    Choice? What choice? To take care of the people that make you money, or use them like walmart as chattel... This whole thing gets me cheesed off, we need to suck it up as a nation and join the rest of the civilized world and take care of our people, why else do we pay taxes?

    Ok, I'll take a few deep breaths and sit down now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentmitchell1961 View Post
    I really hate that companies don't hire full time just to save on benefits. when I returned to the US from the UK, I had to have 5 part time jobs, my wife 4 just to pay bills. it is a load of ****. FT people work better, are better trained and more relaxed, thus leading to more productivity, you are hurting your business and patients by not using FT people.

    All other western civilized countries provide their people with healthcare, as do many of the 'third world' ones. We need health care. it will save billions in tax costs, every time an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, we foot the bill.
    Will save billions?


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    Yesterday I took my wife to the emergency room, she is ok, our aetna paid for it. I am glad we had it. On the wall was the plaque stating that they cannot and will not turn anyone down, now I actually have to health care we can only afford my wife (she is pregnant), so if I go, you, the tax payer, pays for my visit. This goes for everyone, everytime a person goes to the ER with no insurance, we pay for it. annually it is in the billions as the normal ER cost is 5 figures....

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    Yeah, not in tax costs.

    It *MIGHT* save some money on the healthcare side, since healthcare providers won't have to write off so much in uncollectable uninsured debt. However, the costs will be spread among those who can pay for insurance in some form.

    The only real way to save money is to make all of the healthcare provider businesses and insurers non-profit, as well as the larger medical (Big Pharma) companies. Take away the profit motive to the shareholders and executives and costs will go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentmitchell1961 View Post
    Yesterday I took my wife to the emergency room, she is ok, our aetna paid for it. I am glad we had it. On the wall was the plaque stating that they cannot and will not turn anyone down, now I actually have to health care we can only afford my wife (she is pregnant), so if I go, you, the tax payer, pays for my visit. This goes for everyone, everytime a person goes to the ER with no insurance, we pay for it. annually it is in the billions as the normal ER cost is 5 figures....
    Not yet as direct taxes, Kent. It is paid for right NOW in the form of higher bills to the patients who can pay for services either through insurance or cash/credit card.

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    Totally agree that they should be non-profit, I use USAA for all that I can for that reason (and they are cheaper, hmmmmm). Now, if the vast majority of us in this country that do not have health care did, would not the burden go down on the few that do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentmitchell1961 View Post
    I really hate that companies don't hire full time just to save on benefits. when I returned to the US from the UK, I had to have 5 part time jobs, my wife 4 just to pay bills. it is a load of ****. FT people work better, are better trained and more relaxed, thus leading to more productivity, you are hurting your business and patients by not using FT people.

    All other western civilized countries provide their people with healthcare, as do many of the 'third world' ones. We need health care. it will save billions in tax costs, every time an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, we foot the bill.
    +1 on that. In 1997 I worked at LC and they were hiring part-timers working more than 40 hour weeks and refused to give them full-time status and healthcare benefits. I raised stink with letters and got a visit from my regional and his boss and after discussing with them my concerns, they turned everything around and said that I was complaining because the part-timers were getting more hours than the full-timers(me). So untrue! I feel like anyone with a chain of stores should not be allowed to "cry poor" about this Obamacare. Maybe they're profit-margin won't be as high but what about ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO TAKE CARE OF YOU! Forget that most don't even offer retirement, we just want to work a loyal full-time job and be properly compensated.

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