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    Opticianry Summit?

    http://theopticalvisionsite.com/educ...-for-may-2012/

    http://www.thevisioncouncil.org/opti....cfm?navID=850


    Thoughts, ideas, opinions?

    Is the Society to Advance Opticianry involved?

    Who are the players? Is it the same old, same old, Old Boys Club?

    It isn't April 1st! Is this a joke?

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    If the American Board of Opticianry is involved......I'm not interested!

    If the Opticians Assoc. of America is involved......I'm not interested!

    If the Good Old Boys Club members are involved......I'm not interested!


    Are any of you interested?

    Why?

    Why not?

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    So many public College educators already have stated their curriculum preference... the 19th century model of a 2-years program duration . AAS of two (2)-years program duration is the mantra. No matter what any opticianry school puts into their program, make sure it remains a 2-year course duration.
    Proven program effectiveness of private shorter-duration opticianry programs are irrelevant considerations to this 2-year length of program model. And if technological advances, new training aids and the Internet happen to speed up learning processes, no matter. Just keep all opticianry programs at 2-years... after all, it’s the way things were always done.

    Well surprise, surprise... we are now in the 21st century. And it is time for all ‘opticianry leaders’ to re-think curriculums and licensure in terms of demonstrated competencies, rather than the process. MUST KNOW, SHOULD KNOW and NICE TO KNOW categories cover all the opticianry learning competencies.

    I also sense a real danger in having non-educators involved in curriculum design. Some retailers will insist on a supply of super salesman, while others may want marketing gurus. Most big optical chains want cheap labour, while many Optometrists want to continue providing new Optometric Assistants with their in-house “will train’ models.

    Some wag once said, “A camel is a horse designed by a committee”. I don’t know what
    new ideas this ultra-large ‘Summit’ of leaders will finally endorse, but I wish them well.

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    I have to read through everything....but I think it's worth a look. I believe we're at a crossroads, not sure where the road will lead, but I'm gonna look at the map carefully.
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    Invitation only. Mission is to "Shake it up" Wasn't invited, but will send a short outline/wish list for optician training. No need to repeat my feelings here.

    Keeping fingers crossed.

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    I'm not sure how Minnesota is going to represented since we have no state association......I guess our reps maybe???????

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    Is the National Academy of Opticianry involved?

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    I hope that everyone will give this an opportunity. I have not been invited, which is strange seeing that I have been the most fervent change agent to actually study what Opticians actually want to see happen, but it is not about me. It is about the future for Opticians to come. Please pray for this somewhat secretive group, and hope that they can at least develop some kind of basic minimum standards. Until all Opticians across the nation have at least similar backgrounds, we are dead in the water. I am told that the Vision Council and ABO are coordinating/funding this meeting, and I wish them the very best. I also hope that other professional groups are at the table, which I understand is the case.

    To all my friends on this board, please be open minded and lets see what happens.
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    Hi Fezz(y),

    Yes, the SAO has been invited, we are having a conference call to talk about sending a representative. I am unable to attend as it is our final exam week, which I cannot miss.

    As Warren stated, lets be open minded. Many good people are attending from all of the national orgs as well as state society leaders. I met with Ed D and Frank G from VCPN during VEE, and they are whole-heartedly supportive of a positive movement forward, and support the mission and goals of the Society to Advance Opticianry.

    It is important to get all of the leaders in one room. The National ABO conference is a great venue to network, however, as all of the orgs had their own meetings, it was hard to get everyone in the same room at the same time. Our program manager, Bill Underwood will be one of the NFOS representatives, and I have good vibes about the outcome.

    I will be happy to report any news that comes my way. Let's all send them our very best wishes and good vibes!

    : )

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    My invite must have gotten lost in the mail!


    :poop::poop::poop:

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    A veritable potpourri of the very institutions who have lowered opticianry's status quo nationwide. An open mind would be far easier were it not these very same that caused much of the problem in the first place. And for those of us who don't "pray" (which I certainly won't be here): "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid!" ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    A veritable potpourri of the very institutions who have lowered opticianry's status quo nationwide. An open mind would be far easier were it not these very same that caused much of the problem in the first place. And for those of us who don't "pray" (which I certainly won't be here): "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid!" ;)
    Now I'm not religious either, but you're quoting a guy who couldn't have been more wrong.

    Studies show that proper use of analogy in standardized testing correlates with higher intellect.
    Last edited by Wes; 03-27-2012 at 08:40 PM.
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    Redhot Jumper Make up your own mind if they qualify for an optical summit..........................


    The vision council is an association of optical manufacturers and suppliers and use the profits of the VEE and VEW for common advertising towards the consumers. That is the original intention.

    Here is some some history from their website:

    History

    The Vision Council has evolved greatly over the years, expanding and improving its services to help grow the optical industry.


    1940s
    The Optical Industry Association (OMA), was formed to help to promote a business environment to stimulate growth and influence the eye care industry. Comprised of manufacturers of ophthalmic frames, lenses, cases and optical machinery, OMA sought to create opportunities to grow the industry and provided forums, technical standards, statistical information, advocacy services, education, communication products and management support services. OMA members benefited from many types of reports and statistical information.

    This article, written in 1980, provides more background about the OMA.

    1985
    Members of the OMA set up the Vision Industry Council of America (VICA) to grow the ophthalmic market for the entire industry, including suppliers, manufacturers, practitioners and optical laboratories. The International Vision Expo shows were created as a centerpiece to showcase products and bring suppliers and their customers together.

    In 1985, VICA took over the Better Vision Institute (BVI). The BVI was founded in 1929 and had a reputation as an advocate of vision care. The BVI brings together representatives from the fields of ophthalmology, opticianry and optometry and advised VICA in developing programs and materials, ensuring that the vision messages were accurate.

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    Make up your own mind if they qualify for an optical summit............................................They are both driven by commercial interest's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Make up your own mind if they qualify for an optical summit............................................They are both driven by commercial interest's.
    Chris: I'm not sure what you mean by this. If opticians don't offer commercial value, just what value do you believe they will command?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uilleann View Post
    A veritable potpourri of the very institutions who have lowered opticianry's status quo nationwide. An open mind would be far easier were it not these very same that caused much of the problem in the first place.
    +1000000000!!!

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    sigh....

    We will be successful with or without positive opinions/vibes from the gallery. Fezz, while I think you are nice guy and a great optician, you think it is BS because YOU were not personally invited? Really?

    Every time I am tempted to post here, negative mud-slinging reminds me why I refrain.

    Wishing you all the best in your endeavors. As for myself, I will remain positive and work hard and volunteer on Opticianry's behalf. What are you doing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    ...I will remain positive and work hard and volunteer on Opticianry's behalf. What are you doing?

    Laurie
    Remaining realistic.

    Sigh indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    sigh....

    We will be successful with or without positive opinions/vibes from the gallery. Fezz, while I think you are nice guy and a great optician, you think it is BS because YOU were not personally invited? Really?

    Every time I am tempted to post here, negative mud-slinging reminds me why I refrain.

    Wishing you all the best in your endeavors. As for myself, I will remain positive and work hard and volunteer on Opticianry's behalf. What are you doing?


    Laurie
    I understand how frustrating it is to read some of the garbage and meanness that is posted, but you are one of my favorites in the industry and I need you! You are looking out for the best possible interests of many folks-students, facility, consumers, companies of technology and hopefully yourself as well in addition to all of your optical world! This is not easy on such a tiny lady, but you are up to the task and we will go forward.

    The future for my stores is brighter than ever and we need folks like you to help keep the training going towards the future. Just pity the ignorant and let them die a slow optical death.

    I love the internet for glasses and cannot wait for VSP to have it's entire offering available on-line. The only one's left standing will be properly run opticals in all price arenas and MD's. The time is perfect for the independent to thrive again and prosper as the times change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    I understand how frustrating it is to read some of the garbage and meanness that is posted, but you are one of my favorites in the industry and I need you! You are looking out for the best possible interests of many folks-students, facility, consumers, companies of technology and hopefully yourself as well in addition to all of your optical world! This is not easy on such a tiny lady, but you are up to the task and we will go forward.

    The future for my stores is brighter than ever and we need folks like you to help keep the training going towards the future. Just pity the ignorant and let them die a slow optical death.

    I love the internet for glasses and cannot wait for VSP to have it's entire offering available on-line. The only one's left standing will be properly run opticals in all price arenas and MD's. The time is perfect for the independent to thrive again and prosper as the times change.
    +1
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    Maybe you guys can wait to see what happens and poo poo it later if it's a bust? I'm really tired of the "prophets of doom" like Harold Camping, Uilleann, and the bum down the street with the "Repent!" sign that keep trying to ruin my day.
    How would you spin it if something positive came out of this? "Opticianry Summit threatens underprivileged opticians!"???
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    Its always interesting to see how this meeting plays out and how will it benefit opticians...I for one believe that we must defunct all the organizations that have failed us into a new one which is more representative of the licensed states, academia and the non licensed states. A new testing system is coming down the pipes in which external players have made an entrance into the opticianry turf and its raising concerns.

    Laurie, please take our voice to this meeting and tell them that we only want professional graduate opticians from colleges to ensure that we actually have a future and that we will not settle for less. No new practical testings or new abo or new anything. We simply want professional graduated opticians as the only means to practice.No moving forward without this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by optical24/7 View Post
    Those that have taken their time, sweat and money to help their local, state or national fellow opticians stand to the right.

    Those that have contributed zero time to their local, state or national fellow opticians stand to the left.






    Now, all those on the left side, shut up! What have you done to help opticianry? Don't like what's going on, on a local, state or national level? Why don't you do something about it like run for an office or position to change things? It's kinda like voting in elections...If you don't vote, you don't have a right to b*tch about the outcome! If you don't like something, what are you gonna do about it...Just sit and b*tch?


    Now I'm not crazy about a lot of things nor organizations in opticianry, but I have no right to gripe unless I'm willing to stand up and do something about it. What are you gonna do?
    Amen brother!

    Quote Originally Posted by CNG View Post
    Its always interesting to see how this meeting plays out and how will it benefit opticians...I for one believe that we must defunct all the organizations that have failed us into a new one which is more representative of the licensed states, academia and the non licensed states. A new testing system is coming down the pipes in which external players have made an entrance into the opticianry turf and its raising concerns.

    Laurie, please take our voice to this meeting and tell them that we only want professional graduate opticians from colleges to ensure that we actually have a future and that we will not settle for less. No new practical testings or new abo or new anything. We simply want professional graduated opticians as the only means to practice.No moving forward without this.
    CNG
    It's a bit of wishful thinking to assume any bureaucracy will vote to dissolve itself. The organizations will not be going away. The key is finding ways for us to all work together to make what we want a reality. Organizations can change voluntarily, but they don't disband voluntarily.
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    Those that have taken their time, sweat and money to help their local, state or national fellow opticians stand to the right.

    Those that have contributed zero time to their local, state or national fellow opticians stand to the left.






    Now, all those on the left side, shut up! What have you done to help opticianry? Don't like what's going on, on a local, state or national level? Why don't you do something about it like run for an office or position to change things? It's kinda like voting in elections...If you don't vote, you don't have a right to b*tch about the outcome! If you don't like something, what are you gonna do about it...Just sit and b*tch?


    Now I'm not crazy about a lot of things nor organizations in opticianry, but I have no right to gripe unless I'm willing to stand up and do something about it. What are you gonna do?

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    I would like to see a representative from the AOA and from Luxottica invited otherwise it's just really a sham. Since the two organizations I have pointed out have done more to our profession then any of the ones that supposedly represent it, I think any plan should be run by or OK through them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiTrace View Post
    I would like to see a representative from the AOA and from Luxottica invited otherwise it's just really a sham. Since the two organizations I have pointed out have done more to our profession then any of the ones that supposedly represent it...
    No truer words were ever spoken.
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