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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    I'm out!

    Pretty ridiculous & frustrating situation isn't it ?

    Have you read the recent newsletters ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    At what point in a meeting can a member or an attending public person ask the previously sent in question ? Is there a set time durting the meeting for questions ? There used to be . Can you quote the bylaw or regulation that deals with the requirement to ask censored questions by prearrangements ?
    Meeting are controlled by rules, and the Chair interprets, enforces the rules, in order to create order and brevity, otherwise there would be chaos.

    Discussion is kept to the meeting agenda, and the agenda is agreed to and circulated beforehand, so that all participants understand the length and depth of discussion and topic to take place.

    There is room for new business, or discussion about old business, and that can be added to the agenda by the chair, and the general membership will be addressed, usually, and informed of changes to the agenda, prior to the meeting being called to order. Once the meeting has been called to order, changes to the agenda should only happened if voted on by a quorum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncut View Post
    Meeting are controlled by rules, and the Chair interprets, enforces the rules, in order to create order and brevity, otherwise there would be chaos.

    Discussion is kept to the meeting agenda, and the agenda is agreed to and circulated beforehand, so that all participants understand the length and depth of discussion and topic to take place.

    There is room for new business, or discussion about old business, and that can be added to the agenda by the chair, and the general membership will be addressed, usually, and informed of changes to the agenda, prior to the meeting being called to order. Once the meeting has been called to order, changes to the agenda should only happened if voted on by a quorum.

    Is this from Roberts Rules or is this from the COO bylaws ? Does COO recognize and adopt Roberts rules ?
    I seem to recall a meeting where a previous Registrar said they were under no obligation to run meetings by Roberts Rules or any particular Rules of order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfnorth View Post
    I'm out!
    It's sad that you have to be out of this conversation.

    Are you aware that the only reason to go to a meeting is to keep up with current events at the College ? Opticians are not allowed to even see the Minutes of the Meetings . This decision comes from the same people that dare to proclaim all over their web site banners EFFICIENCY, INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY.

    How could any of those statements be true if there are no newsletters and their own membership is not allowed to see the Minutes of the Meetings ?

    More censorship is what this is all about.

    Deb Matthews, Minister of Health , needs to be brought to task on this matter while she is busy proclaiming the same thing about the ORNGE fiasco and how the MOH dropped the ball on that mess and its integrity and accountability and transparency
    problems.

    The Ontario Ombudsman might take an interest in this if one woman's petition succeeds in the legislature shortly . We might finally be able to involve the Ombudsman to look into these problems
    Last edited by idispense; 02-23-2012 at 11:45 PM.

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    Hmmmm. any meeting run by a public entity must adhere to some reference of rules, and if there is a conflict of which rules to follow, there must be a decision by the chair to follow such and such rules, otherwise the meeting is invalid, just like when quorum is not met. What I have posted is probably from Roberts, which is gained by experience having chaired for a service organization for several years.

    The rules your organization follow, are documented somewhere, and or dictated by your umbrella legislation.

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    One item for your next AGM would be to request, on the agenda to entertain a motion to have a minimum number of newsletters published, and circulated each year. If this is introduced by the general membership and voted on and passed..............next year you will be more informed.

    You can also ask for things like budgets to be circulated prior to meetings, by motion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncut View Post
    Hmmmm. any meeting run by a public entity must adhere to some reference of rules, and if there is a conflict of which rules to follow, there must be a decision by the chair to follow such and such rules, otherwise the meeting is invalid, just like when quorum is not met. What I have posted is probably from Roberts, which is gained by experience having chaired for a service organization for several years.

    The rules your organization follow, are documented somewhere, and or dictated by your umbrella legislation.

    What does Roberts say about Minutes of the Meetings being available to the public or members ? There has been steadfast refusal to allow members to view these . At one public meeting even the Councillors complained they had no access to the same .

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    I would believe that the general public doesn't have access to your association/corporation minutes, only, probably the minister(govt) could demand these. The Annual/General meeting minutes, probably have to be circulated, and the form and frequency of this circulation would be dictated by your association bylaws. This is where rules, such as meeting frequency, make up of Council, numbers on Council, length of office, quorum numbers,etc. are dictated.

    A current, elected council member complaining about access to minutes entitled to, but denied of copies and meetings(committees) minutes should be complaining to the Minister in charge of your organization.................officially,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncut View Post
    I would believe that the general public doesn't have access to your association/corporation minutes, only, probably the minister(govt) could demand these. The Annual/General meeting minutes, probably have to be circulated, and the form and frequency of this circulation would be dictated by your association bylaws. This is where rules, such as meeting frequency, make up of Council, numbers on Council, length of office, quorum numbers,etc. are dictated.

    A current, elected council member complaining about access to minutes entitled to, but denied of copies and meetings(committees) minutes should be complaining to the Minister in charge of your organization.................officially,.


    The Minister of Health is too busy extracting herself from ignoring all the warnings and complaints she had about the air ambulance disaster ORNGE . That Minister is part of the problem not part of the solution.

    She will be lucky to survive the ORNGE matter .

    In any event her solution & her staff's solution would be to ignore the complainer rather than deal with the problem. Her method is to try to put fires out after they are out of control and splashed all over the media.

    She is a fire fighter not a fire preventer.

    She only acts after complainers go to the oppostion party and the newspapers.


    The process is complain to her Ministry , be ignored by her Ministry staff, be ignored by her , start the process over again and be ignored more , then go to the media and opposition parties , now she will deal with the problem after the newspapers tell her where her conscience should be .
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    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    Pretty ridiculous & frustrating situation isn't it ?

    Have you read the recent newsletters ?
    I'm out means that I am not going to contribute to this thread anymore.

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    You know what is best , but did you read the newsletters about Bergez and his wife's suspended sentence and house arrest ?
    Last edited by idispense; 02-25-2012 at 04:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idispense View Post
    At what point in a meeting can a member or an attending public person ask the previously sent in question ? Is there a set time durting the meeting for questions ? There used to be . Can you quote the bylaw or regulation that deals with the requirement to ask censored questions by prearrangements ?
    You can't ask questions, you're a simple observer according to the RHPA. If it was being done before, it was probably a goodwill gesture on behalf of the council towards the attendees.

    Either get it on the agenda or you could make a motion at the next meeting to bring back question period. I'm sure there are a lot of individuals that would love to discuss the regulatory framework in Ontario following the CBC show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Ryser View Post
    Maybe one should find out if "Coastal" has a kick-back department
    Now that Mr Ryser is the right question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inside out View Post

    Now that Mr Ryser is the right question.

    Sorry for being late............this thread is dying.

    I am not sure if the question is right I would more tend to think they do.............the question is more how they it and with whom.
    How about reading my post on the PD thread in the general Forum

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