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    Angry Davis Vision gets out 2200 jobs on Monday

    Davis vision did manage to get out 2200 jobs on Monday this week. Thats not thier usual 5000 per day. I would expect massive delays on orders and also a decline in quality yes even more so than it already is. They have hired 25 temps to fill in for the striking workers this should improve quality greatly. They had jobs ready Monday because some workers went in on Saturday before the strike we can keep optiboarders posted as the strikers have a mole inside feeding information to the outside! Davis does have other labs one in Texas and one in New York the one in Las Vegas closed earlier this year. They will ship some of these jobs to other labs of course thier already over loaded with jobs as well. I would tell my patients to expect lenghty delays on any order from Davis.

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    The strikers will starve before they win if the other Davis labs are working full tilt and picking up the slack. What happened to solidarity?

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    I would close the Philly lab and let the other branches absorb the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    I would close the Philly lab and let the other branches absorb the work.
    Agree! The few jobs that I got from them some time ago were terrrrrrrible!
    Plainview lab does a much better job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by optidogg View Post
    I would tell my patients to expect lenghty delays on any order from Davis.
    We tell our patients to expect lengthy delays on any job that THEIR insurance mandates cannot be completed in our lab.
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    After i saw the post yesterday i called 34 patients today telling them the 2 weeks we promised is going to be 4-5 weeks now,some understood some were heated and I happily gave them the 1800 #to voice their concerns.I wish my doctor would drop them,but we are in a Delta Airlines community and would lose a huge amount of business.

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    My feeling is this:

    How many of use really care about the workers that have provided use with horrible quality, unending delays, lousy customer service and overall despair, irritation, poor reimbursement and total customer dissatisfaction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    My feeling is this:

    How many of use really care about the workers that have provided use with horrible quality, unending delays, lousy customer service and overall despair, irritation, poor reimbursement and total customer dissatisfaction?
    Fezz,
    Do you think it was the fault of the rank and file or the bosses who created an unworkable system? I feel bad that is got to this point, but it seems obvious to me that the Davis Vision model has no winners!
    Who benefits from bad work conditions, stress from putting out junk work and then getting yelled at on the phones for something you have no control over? Maybe we do not even need Davis and this is proof of that?

    Just a few thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    Fezz,
    Do you think it was the fault of the rank and file or the bosses who created an unworkable system? I feel bad that is got to this point, but it seems obvious to me that the Davis Vision model has no winners!
    Who benefits from bad work conditions, stress from putting out junk work and then getting yelled at on the phones for something you have no control over? Maybe we do not even need Davis and this is proof of that?

    Just a few thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fezz View Post
    My feeling is this:

    How many of use really care about the workers that have provided use with horrible quality, unending delays, lousy customer service and overall despair, irritation, poor reimbursement and total customer dissatisfaction?
    I have no first-hand knowledge of Davis or it's striking workers, however in my experience, poor quality and service is directly related to management, not the workers. After all, if a worker is not doing their job, then management should replace him or her with someone who can and will.

    I have also taken over operations in which the workers had been blamed for 'poor' results, only to turn things around with those very same workers. The bottom line is that the buck stops with Management and the owners, not the people they employ.

    As for telling the workers to go elsewhere, I am of the opinion that they have every right to strike if they want to. There are lots of reasons why 'working elsewhere' is not a viable option for many people.


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    You do not have to look far to see the effects unions have had on the US auto industry. See any long term good for stockholders, management or employees? ...or customers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
    See any long term good for stockholders, management or employees? ...or customers?

    and the citizens of the USA, the USA, and its debt holders!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Machol View Post
    I have no first-hand knowledge of Davis or it's striking workers, however in my experience, poor quality and service is directly related to management, not the workers. After all, if a worker is not doing their job, then management should replace him or her with someone who can and will.

    I have also taken over operations in which the workers had been blamed for 'poor' results, only to turn things around with those very same workers. The bottom line is that the buck stops with Management and the owners, not the people they employ.

    As for telling the workers to go elsewhere, I am of the opinion that they have every right to strike if they want to. There are lots of reasons why 'working elsewhere' is not a viable option for many people.
    +1

    In my 20+ years of management, I have seen very few people that come to work and say "I would loke to do a poor job today"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tntborden View Post
    +1

    In my 20+ years of management, I have seen very few people that come to work and say "I would loke to do a poor job today"
    When I was stationed at MacDill AFB, in the mid-80's the civilians in my office were all union. They would not come to work to do a poor job, but MANY of them verbalized their desire to come to work to do as little as possible. In fact, the union steward worked at the desk next to me, and she had a portable television that she would watch, throughout the day, with no regard as to how much work was piling up.

    I've seen the same thing in the union steel mills outside of Pittsburgh, as well as the Ohio Department of Transportation. There is a camera mounted on the outside gate of the truck yard at the intersection of Rts. 87 and 11 in NE Ohio, the sole purpose of which is to alert the employees as to when the supervisors are approaching, so they can wake the others that don't happen to be playing cards at the time. How do I know? I've played cards there many times on my way home from sales calls. I was one of the few there that wasn't on the clock.
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    Sounds like Davis really dodged a bullet.

    pre strike = 100% of patients disgruntled
    post strike = 100% of patients disgruntled + a reduction in payroll

    Looks like management is getting raises this year, premiums are going up for patients, and reimbursements are going down for doctors offices.

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    There is a camera mounted on the outside gate of the truck yard at the intersection of Rts. 87 and 11 in NE Ohio, the sole purpose of which is to alert the employees as to when the supervisors are approaching, so they can wake the others that don't happen to be playing cards at the time.
    And some people are asking why the Chinese are developing so fast ... they work more and do a better job.

    And the workers blame management for outsourcing the work to China.
    The management may not know that you sleep on the job, but they know that a Chinese employee makes 10 times more units with higher quality than you for the same time.

    AFAIK the steel mill business in the US is not doing very well and a lot of these people are out of jobs. Wonder why ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johns View Post
    When I was stationed at MacDill AFB, in the mid-80's the civilians in my office were all union. They would not come to work to do a poor job, but MANY of them verbalized their desire to come to work to do as little as possible. In fact, the union steward worked at the desk next to me, and she had a portable television that she would watch, throughout the day, with no regard as to how much work was piling up.
    I've worked Union and non-Union jobs. In my experience, there is no fundamental difference between the workers in either situation. Roughly 1/3 of workers in both Union and non-Union jobs strive to excel and be the best they can; 1/3 do a decent job but generally do not put in extra effort; and the final 1/3 are basically lazy and try to get away with as little work as possible.

    I know it's become fashionable to blame and demonize Unions, but I believe that they serve a critical function in helping maintain a healthy balance of power between management and the people that actually do the work. Whenever one or the other has too much power, things become distorted. That is what happened with the Unions in the 60s and 70s, they held too much power and the pendulum swung against them.

    Now we are in a position in which the Unions have been humbled and have been giving concession after concession to management who have rigged the system in their favor. The very real possible impending ecomomic collapse will not be caused by Unions. It will be caused by system that is built on a house of cards propped up by the extraordinary influence Corporations have over our Government. I believe balance needs to be restored in order to avoid this collapse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Machol View Post
    I've worked Union and non-Union jobs. In my experience, there is no fundamental difference between the workers in either situation. Roughly 1/3 of workers in both Union and non-Union jobs strive to excel and be the best they can; 1/3 do a decent job but generally do not put in extra effort; and the final 1/3 are basically lazy and try to get away with as little work as possible.
    I have worked both as well and I agree to some extent but the fundamental difference I see in a union company is that the 1/3 who are lazy and do as little work as possible still have jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocoisland58 View Post
    I have worked both as well and I agree to some extent but the fundamental difference I see in a union company is that the 1/3 who are lazy and do as little work as possible still have jobs.
    Which is also true of non-Union workers, hence the '1/3'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Machol View Post
    ... in either situation. Roughly 1/3 of workers in both Union and non-Union jobs strive to excel and be the best they can; 1/3 do a decent job but generally do not put in extra effort; and the final 1/3 are basically lazy and try to get away with as little work as possible.
    I don't disagree with that at all. It's the way those employees are dealt with that I have the issue with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johns View Post
    I don't disagree with that at all. It's the way those employees are dealt with that I have the issue with.
    That is a valid criticism. However it's also a valid criticism of upper management everywhere. Every company I have ever worked for has had some managers and executives that performed horribly yet stayed in their positions in spite of their performance. In fact the higher you are in any organization, the more insulated you are from any negative consequence for poor performance.

    Just because something has one or more negatives, does not mean that everything about them is negative.


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    The Plainview lab has been closed fpr sometime now...

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