Anybody using the EyeCode lens from big "E" yet? I am in the process of analyzing my lab business in a big way and considering all of my options. Essilor has mentioned this lens to me in the past 2 weeks as their best lens I guess in hopes the marketing hype will entice me to continue working with Essilor labs. Curious to hear real world experiences.
OK, I guess nobody on OB is one of the 50 offices across the country with this product or doesn't care(more likely this I guess). VisioOffice is Essilor's measurement device and the EyeCode is the individualized lens that is coming to launch soon. Anyone? Bueller?
I guess they have to sell you something since they can't sell you the Zeiss Individual. The VisiOffice is going to set you or your lab back about 10K.
Eyecode is not a lens, it is a fitting parameter Essilor developed to compensate for different viewing angles of different patients. It is a fitting parameter (like vertex, panto, wrap) that Visioffice will measure and customization for it can be supplied by any of Essilor's digital lenses (all the 360s, including SV and bifocal, the Enhanceds, and the yet-to-be-released DRxs, and of course Ipseo). With the Visioffice you can supply for an Essilor digital lens all the fitting parameters that would go into a Zeiss Individual or any other maximally customized lens, plus the proprietary Eyecode.
My reps haven't tried to market it that way to me yet, but I'm pretty sure once they push it more mainstream they will claim the "most customized lens in the world" since it trumps the Individual's parameters by one. Whether or not Eyecode actually produces and better wearer experience I will have to research.
I am curious where this information came from and if you can substansiate it? I have seen no documentation yet, but have heard a lot about the product.Originally Posted by DanLiv
Just went to a Visioffice demo at my lab and spoke with the Essilor rep heading the Visioffice program. Had the measurements demoed on me (fast!). In less than a minute it had my PD, seg, panto, wrap, vertex, and the mysterious Eyecode. All of these variables can be supplied to labs and integrated into the 360/Enhanced products. Since the Individual customizes for all this minus Eyecode, there's Essilors marketing banner: the most customized lens in the world. This is just me predicting how they will position themselves. This is not anything they have explicitly told me.
"Eyecode" belongs inline with the evolving pantheon of other E products that try to address optimized *fitting* of progressive lenses:
Centromatic
Posicentron
Vision Print
Eyecode
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What's anyone's impression on the Visioffice? It definitely sounds useful as I'm currently looking for a "smart mirror" type device to help pt's see the frames they have tried on & since it sounds like this not only does that but also takes measurements to customize a pt's lenses, it sounds like a winner. Besides the price tag, the only other reservation I have is my OD says he does not want to support the big E since they bought Frames Data & are trying to get a niche on online retail eyewear sales arena.
...just point your nose to whatever you're looking at...
The Zeiss iTerminal is very similar and does almost everything as E's machine (except of course their proprietary "eyecode"). They both have floor and desktop models as well. Either will get you all the free form customization measurements you need.
I'm in one of the 50 offices, but we haven't used the lenses yet. Will let you know when we do.
From the info I got, you can order all of the lenses they're touting with just panto, wrap and vertex or with that plus eyecode measurements. So my question is how does eyecode change the lens parameters? What really does it add?
Read about Essilor Eyecode on line:
http://www.variluxusa.com/SiteCollec...SA_Singles.pdf
The next step is, of course, a "trial" frame with lenses that is worn (or an attachment to the current frame) that stores and amasses Eyecode-style posture-only data, and creates an envelope of postural history. Think like *multiple perimetrys".
Barry
We are actually slated to get the VisiOffice in late January 2011. The instrument is the same as Zeiss' iTerminal with only one difference, The VisiOffice measures the vertex distance across the lens using the rotational axis of the patient's eye as a reference.
They claim that measuring the vertex distance from the corneal apex is not accurate enough because the eye's axial length is not taken into account. This vertex distance is then used to customize the patient's Rx throughout the lens.
Sign of times.........................on the other hand is that not a beautiful instrument to eliminate the hands on operation of the specialist optician during the sale of glasses??????????????
................or a step forward for on-line opticals ?????
Although I am a fan of new technology and lens design....the ever growing amount and degree of accuracy required to measure, optimize and dispense customized lenses is becoming way too complex. When a remake is required and the root cause of the dissatisfied patient is unknown, where does one begin? Good ole fashion troubleshooting is what made most us 'seasoned experts' in our professional fields and patients admire and recommend the 'personalized service'. "Sorry Mr. Smith, don't worry a bit...just have a seat, fill in this application, stare at the screen and don't move while the computer figures out what your issue is - while I go make a coffee".
I agree it is an excellent tool to provide an enhanced degree of accuracy, but the major companies that develop these systems want us all to eventually take that blind leap of faith and have us become mindless mouse clickers. And yes, it is all expertly done with their marketing jargon - just pay the $12-$15K and we'll take care of everything. Did we mention that we also lock you in to 'our' brands only and there is a volume commitment to keep this agreement valid?
Let's not kid ourselves here folks, the successful wearer never evolved solely from a rash of 'computerized' fittings and never will. Their success and satisfaction is based on a professional's expertise, recommendation of the proper product, personal relationship and feeling of trust and security.
I'm all for enhanced accuracy, but a huge caveat emptor to the hidden agenda of the rest of it...
The comments on remakes make me wonder - Do you deliver the glasses with the accuracy used at the time of measuring? The new individualised progressive designs require the same precision at delivery as they do with original measurements. Check the BVD, Tilt, Wrap, Heights, Monocular PDs on the client, and insure that they match the original order. At times, the labs send the products back with a slightly different pantoscopic tilt angle or wrap angle - and then instruct your clients to wear them until they are comfortable in them. It takes time to adapt to any new prescription. Last (and I'll get off my soap box) make sure you do not sell short corridor ANYTHING to people with an add power over +1.75. Unless of course, you're trying to simulate an invisible bifocal.)
Cheers
OK, I've dispensed an Eyecode lens now. Pt was mid 60s, coming out of a Physio. She loved it. The rx was something like -3.00 -.50 with a 2.50 add. She also loved the experience of the machine, she called it fun.
I love the demos on the machine, because when we're backed up in optical, the front desk staff can distract the waiting patients with fancy explanations of myopia, PAL designs, why arc is great, etc. These are things the front desk never would have dreamed of discussing with patients before, and frankly we wouldn't have wanted them to. But with the pretty video, they can head off more in depth questions by saying 'the optician can answer that for you. Have you seen the polarized demo?" That I really, really love.
Smoke and mirrors by lens manufacturers showing "razzle dazzle stuff" with their right hand, while sliding their left hand around your back- that's the hand with the knife in it. They will continue to develop devices to help them mass market direct to patients via the internet. Easier and more impressive to the patient? Yes, and pretty soon no need to waste time seeing an Optician for anything, except of course to get those screws tightened up.
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They are the best candidates for a shorter corridor harder design, what do you suggest instead?
I don't really buy into the intermediate section of a lens, it's what I like to refer to as a bonus. In lower adds the area may be more useable since th edesign is softer and the corridor wider but it will constrict and harden over the patients years ina PAL, knowing this I always recommend early on that they consider a seperate pair for computer and reading as a task specific pair. Newer presbyopes I give a pass to but let them know in the future they will have to consider the option. Very few that use computers or read alot don't appreciate that second task specific pair.
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Have you gotten your machine yet? If you have, what's your impression?
The Visioffice is a great tool, but you do have to make sure the patient is aligned in the camera. Some of the measurements were off by 3-4 mm in a progressive, I always check them with a pen before taking out the lenses. What is really cool is you can take a picture of the patient with their new frames and email it to them, for the patient that wants approval from family or friends it is a great too. We have had the Visioffice about 1 month now, hopefully it will pay off with the ability to take such accurate measurements. We had the Zeiss I Terminal before this and had issues with the segs being off. If you do purchase, double check measurements until you become proficient otherwise remakes will be in your future.
Harry, I agree and am in fact wearing GT2 3D short corridor ! It's an all-around great lens and very good for us +2.50 add people. It gets to the near zone quicker, thus saving neck strain at the computer.
I'm using Visioffice since 5 year and I sell Eyecode technology since 1 year.
The measurement of the distance between the back side of the glass and the rotational center of the eye allows a better correction of the peripheral aberrations.
All people equipped feel a better visual comfort, a better sharpness in their vision (distance vision).
In France IVS (the maker of Visioffice) is now introducing a new version of their software :
I do a dynamical measurement of the position of the customer in front of the mirror.
The software "guess" the true position of the wearer by statistically analyzing about 8/10 position (by doing movement : left, right, up, down in front of the mirror).
So the tilt and wrap measure are very precise !
Another fact is that this technology is founded in more and more shop and begin to be known from the customer.
Now, if an optician want to sell high end glasses (prize range $500-$600 each), the perception of the prize need such technology (from Essilor or another maker) !!!
We have the Visoffice and I have started using the EyeCode lens which I also wear. I have not had any nonadapts. I used the lens on a couple in their 80s that had only used FT 28. They both put them on and talked about how much better vision they with the new lenses. I think that it is a big step for our practice.
Would love to hear updates on Optiboarders experience with Eyecode. Are you still liking it? Also curious what info is being transferred over the internet, I've heard you have to plug it into the net? And what happens if you don't?
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