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    Confused Help! I'm pulling my hair out!

    I'm office manager for a small optometric office. I'm ABO Certified and have worked in the business for 15 years and at my current position for 10. We employ six people including the doctor. I process between $11,000 to $15,000 worth of insurance claims a month (approximately 220 claims) for everything from Medicare, Medicare Advantage to VSP. In addition to this, I send out billing statements, dispense eyewear/contacts, do repair/adjustments, provide monthly financial reports to our accountant, check in lab work, maintain frame inventory, address patient complaints, am at the beck and call of the doctor, and help technicians when they are in a jam. I'm definitely a working manager and try to provide the best possible customer service I can. I bend over backwards to make sure people are satisfied with our products and services and that they always have a positive encounter when visiting our office.

    My problem is this: over the course of the past couple of days I have been chewed out by patients for billing procedures that are not necessarily my fault, but have left patients irritated with me nonetheless.

    Problem 1

    Mr. Jones comes in to discuss his bill from November for a Medicare exam and glasses. The receptionist offers to help, but he refuses to discuss it with her. He wants to speak to "the head guy." He won't even leave his name. Unfortunately, for Mr. Jones, I am at lunch. When I return I am told about this, but because I have no idea who it could be I make no attempt to contact this person. Mr. Jones returns the following day obviously annoyed with me. I ask him into a dispensing room to discuss his issues. He tells me that when he was at our office in November he was told by the receptionist he "was paid in full." However, in his view, this statement wasn't true because we didn't tell him his Medicare charges were going to Medicare and then to his supplement for payment. I have a copy of the statement in our system printed. I review it with the patient. It obviously shows his exam was billed to Medicare. He paid for his glasses and his refraction fee. The exam charge was paid by Medicare and his supplement picked up the remaining 20% copay. He owes our office nothing. So, what's the problem you might ask? We didn't tell him he "may" have to pay something if Medicare or his supplement didn't pick it up. I apologized even though I felt we did nothing wrong. This patient has been on Medicare for the last 10 years. One would naturally assume that this is not the first time he has encountered this nor is it limited to our office. He left satisfied that he "gave me an education" as he informed the receptionist as he left. He promised to be back next year and didn't want a repeat of this past year. Mr. Jones also cops an attitude that I was trying to avoid him and evade answering his questions. I guess I should never leave the office and keep a cot set up in the back to be present 24/7 in the off chance he may come in and be inconsiderate enough not to leave his name.

    Problem 2

    Mr. Smith has a GDx test and refraction performed at the beginning of 2009. Our office bills him for the GDx (receptionist accidentally charges him half for this test) and the refraction because the patient hasn't been to any other doctor and has not satisfied his deductible. His total bill is $68.08 which he pays and it is applied to his deductible. A month later we receive a check for $37.60 from his supplement which we forward to the patient since his bill has been settled at the time of service. He calls yesterday while doing his taxes adamant that we owe him $68.08. I worked through this "problem" with him. Explained to him his refraction was not a covered service under Medicare and therefore not paid by the supplement either. This took approximately 10 minutes of convincing until he finally relented and agreed to "forgive" the $27.00. This left us with an amount of $41.08 in dispute. I pointed out to him through his own admission he received a check forwarded by us from his supplement for $37.60. After twenty minutes of back and forth on the phone, it finally boiled down to him being angry that we have "owed" him $3.48 for the past year. He stated "that's $3.48 of my money you've had sitting in your account." I'm not even sure if we are legally obligated to cut him a check for this amount. We do accept Medicare assignment, but do not have any agreement with his supplement to write off this amount if they choose to pay $37.60 instead of the whole $41.08, but in the interest of keeping peace we're cutting him a check. Perhaps it is my fault that I missed reimbursement to this patient for $3.48, but I don't feel it is cause to allow him to belittle me or question my integrity. This is the tone he adopted during the call.

    I guess my point is I'm tired. I'm tired of not being respected for my expertise or assistance. I'm tired of making a substandard wage (I realize the economy is in the crapper), but even in good years I'm paid diddly. I'm tired of people not understanding their own insurance plans and making it my fault. I'm tired of people using me as a doormat when they're having a bad day or just feel mean. I'm thinking about getting out of the business, but if anyone could give me some pointers in how to handle situations like this I'm all ears.

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    i think many can share your pain about managing an optical store, but it comes with the territory. I would try to micromanage a little more so that you are not so bogged down. also if the pay is bad I would ask for a raise and state reasons why you are good for it. never hurts to try and good luck out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeglasses View Post
    I would try to micromanage a little more so that you are not so bogged down.
    First off, welcome aboard eyeglasses. Second, how in the world would you expect this person already wearing about 5 hats to micro-manage more?

    The OP is simply fried, had a bad couple days, feeling under appreciated, under paid, over whelmed, surrounded by morons, and it goes on and on. Monday, all will be well again, all be it with a little less hair. Ask anyone who knows me, how much I have after 35 yrs.

    Nice vent thou RX4.

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    First of all, you should realize how vital you are to the health care system. There are very few coding/billing experts out there.

    Secondly, it is by nature a thankless job. Our system is deliberately antagonistic; the money holders (insurers or government payers) are trying to rip you off. You are trying, likewise, to get maximum reimbursement.

    Thirdly, do you ever wonder why you can never get someone on the phone at an insurer, just some robot? Ever wonder why it's so difficult to get to the IRS?

    It's by design. No way these two goofballs should have access to you. What you need to do is set up a "screen". Act under the pretense that you are a third-party biller, and have the receptionist say that they have to "submit a letter with their problem" to PO Box 1234, and they'll recieve a response within 30 days. A$$hole-ery is a lot easier to take in writing...in fact it's downright amusing. Someone in your face or ear is not pleasant.

    Receptionists should play stupid...they collect what they are told. The doctors should be willing to use their authority if needed. (Patients often think they're hot stuff with "staff", but take a much more respectful stance with a physician. But I'll tell you what--if anyone berates my staff they're toast. I can replace a patient, but not a trusted team member.)

    And most of all, tell them that Medicare is THEIR insurance, that you are NOT MEDICARE, and if they don't like something to call Medicare, not you.

    Bottom line is that you are crazy to allow patients this kind of access. All the frustration of the medical system and God knows what else is going to fall on someone. Why should it be you?

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    It seems you are young and have only been in the industry a short time, my guess is less than 5 years??

    First, understand these points and you will be just fine:

    • You will never please everyone -this is an impossible feat
    • Cranky people will dump on everyone they can and blame everyone else indirectly for their own problems, issues and personal life failures
    • It sounds like you are trying to do everything and solve everyone's (colleagues) issues at the practice - forget it
    • Unless you are the official manager, wearing the title and being compensated fairly, don't get involved in trying to fix other people's inabilities
    • Don't take things personal - it is simply business
    • Lastly grow some thick skin!
    Good luck! And don't be a door mat for others to wipe their shoes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemanflying View Post
    It seems you are young and have only been in the industry a short time, my guess is less than 5 years??



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    Rx4Spex Have a beer try to relax, it won't get better people are pricks. As far as the money issue I don't think anyone will ever pay you or me what our skills and experiences are worth or for the hassels we put up with in optical get the most you can or change jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RX4Spex View Post
    I'm office manager for a small optometric office. I'm ABO Certified and have worked in the business for 15 years and at my current position for 10. We employ six people including the doctor......
    Ok so your exactly where you should be to start feeling this way. At about 10-15 years you suddenly realize that your under paid underloved, underappreciated... and there isn't enough vodka in the world to fill the hole in yourself.

    My problem is this: over the course of the past couple of days I have been chewed out by patients for billing procedures that are not necessarily my fault, but have left patients irritated with me nonetheless.
    Yeah, I always hated that too.


    Mr. Jones comes in to discuss his bill from November for a Medicare exam and glasses. The receptionist offers to help, but he refuses to discuss it with her. He wants to speak to "the head guy." He won't even leave his name. Unfortunately, for Mr. Jones, I am at lunch. When I return I am told about this, but because I have no idea who it could be I make no attempt to contact this person.
    Ohh, big mistake. Always call them back, even if all they want to do is tell you how pretty you look today. This one steps saves so much in the long road and shows your an adult not hiding from your respnsibilities. Its a cruel truth I know but ALWAYS call them back, perception is everything here. You already know they're upset or they wouldn't ask "For the head guy", why stir the pot more.

    Mr. Jones returns the following day obviously annoyed with me. I ask him into a dispensing room to discuss his issues.
    Leave him in the main room, the other patients will think your a great guy for keeping your cool and will side with you 9 times out of 10. you just gained credibility in the eyes of your other patients.

    After twenty minutes of back and forth on the phone, it finally boiled down to him being angry that we have "owed" him $3.48 for the past year. He stated "that's $3.48 of my money you've had sitting in your account." I'm not even sure if we are legally obligated to cut him a check for this amount.
    Does it matter if your "Obligated"? pay the man his $3.48 and get out of the situation. Beg forgiveness and make them feel good. You need them more than they need you.


    I guess my point is I'm tired. I'm tired of not being respected for my expertise or assistance. I'm tired of making a substandard wage (I realize the economy is in the crapper), but even in good years I'm paid diddly. I'm tired of people not understanding their own insurance plans and making it my fault. I'm tired of people using me as a doormat when they're having a bad day or just feel mean. I'm thinking about getting out of the business, but if anyone could give me some pointers in how to handle situations like this I'm all ears.
    This is the name of the game. When I was at the same stage in my career I felt the same and most likely most on this board have felt the same. Go home, cry into your beer and start over. If you want out of the gig, get out, but realize its not any greener in the other side. The names will change, the titles will be different but your going to be faced with the same thing. Now, having said that, go ask for a raise and a week off. You earned it!

    and remember what Ben Franklin said, "Fan the flames of hilarity and pass the rosey red wine." Everything looks better when viewed through the bottom of an empty cocktail glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcount View Post


    Ohh, big mistake. Always call them back, even if all they want to do is tell you how pretty you look today.

    All right everybody...it's time for your READING CLASS.


    See Fezz run. See Johns run. See Fezz throw the ball. See Johns catch the ball. Johns is fun! Fezz is fun! See Johns go! Fezz plays with guns!
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    Ok, now let's read this again:

    The receptionist offers to help, but he refuses to discuss it with her. He wants to speak to "the head guy." He won't even leave his name. Unfortunately, for Mr. Jones, I am at lunch. When I return I am told about this, but because I have no idea who it could be I make no attempt to contact this person.
    Y'all are so excited to help this guy, that you are not reading the post! :DNow one more time:

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    Now that was funny. Sorry Kev. It happens more often than you might think. "Fezz plays with guns". Fear the armed optician for he can see what he shoots at... That's my idea of gun control!
    Oh yeah, back to the thread. We all feel that way sometimes. My best friend told me "never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". I'm a firm believer that you have no duty to deal with an abusive *******. Granted if the customer is difficult or justified in being upset, we deal, but a nasty *******? Nope. Those guys would be invited to go elsewhere. I agree with drk on that one.
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    After 30 years in the business and the last 20 in management of small offices I feel your pain. However the two instances you mention are just your average random goofballs who have nothing better to do. You might find it easier to delegate more to the rest of the staff. If you have six including the doc you might just be trying to handle way too much. Maybe you like the control, maybe the staff hopes you won't ask for help. Either way, if you are stressed you need to re-evaluate. I have felt much the same in the last few months. I dream that there is a nice little optometric office just around the block from home which needs me for nothing more than to work the sales floor and make them lots of money. Being the Queen Bee isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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    First and formost, bless you for the hard work that you do...I on any given day deal with the same type of bs from patients who feel they don't need to pay...............

    Breath and smile...Think bad thoughts about them, while at the same time, be a professional suck up(my personal nickname)...


    I have learned to find a great person that will let you vent until you are feeling better, and then move on...

    Patients aren't always right, but we can deal:-)

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    Never forward the check. Deposit it and write your own to them so you have direct proof you paid them. We forwarded one to a guy and now we have to pay Medicare back since he was covered by a HMO he didn't tell us about and has cashed the check, but it's up to us to prove we paid it to him so they'll go after him instead of us. Since we forwarded the check, our signature is on the check so therefore we have the money as far as Medicare is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    First of all, you should realize how vital you are to the health care system. There are very few coding/billing experts out there.

    Secondly, it is by nature a thankless job. Our system is deliberately antagonistic; the money holders (insurers or government payers) are trying to rip you off. You are trying, likewise, to get maximum reimbursement.

    Thirdly, do you ever wonder why you can never get someone on the phone at an insurer, just some robot? Ever wonder why it's so difficult to get to the IRS?

    It's by design. No way these two goofballs should have access to you. What you need to do is set up a "screen". Act under the pretense that you are a third-party biller, and have the receptionist say that they have to "submit a letter with their problem" to PO Box 1234, and they'll recieve a response within 30 days. A$$hole-ery is a lot easier to take in writing...in fact it's downright amusing. Someone in your face or ear is not pleasant.

    Receptionists should play stupid...they collect what they are told. The doctors should be willing to use their authority if needed. (Patients often think they're hot stuff with "staff", but take a much more respectful stance with a physician. But I'll tell you what--if anyone berates my staff they're toast. I can replace a patient, but not a trusted team member.)

    And most of all, tell them that Medicare is THEIR insurance, that you are NOT MEDICARE, and if they don't like something to call Medicare, not you.

    Bottom line is that you are crazy to allow patients this kind of access. All the frustration of the medical system and God knows what else is going to fall on someone. Why should it be you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    First of all, you should realize how vital you are to the health care system. There are very few coding/billing experts out there.
    No way these two goofballs should have access to you.
    A$$hole-ery is a lot easier to take in writing...in fact it's downright amusing.
    Accepting "eyeglasses" insurance is like a train wreck, only cleaner. Here's some mirthmaking at its best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGlee4kzjjc
    But I'll tell you what--if anyone berates my staff they're toast. I can replace a patient, but not a trusted team member.)
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    ABN form

    this statement wasn't true because we didn't tell him his Medicare charges were going to Medicare and then to his supplement for payment..... So, what's the problem you might ask? We didn't tell him he "may" have to pay something if Medicare or his supplement didn't pick it up. I apologized even though I felt we did nothing wrong.

    We use an ABN (Advance Beneficiary Notice of Noncoverage) form, for this very reason. I thought it was a requirement for all Medicare offices to have a pt. sign one of these prior to asking for payment. If this is true then your pt. is correct. I would contact Medicare and discuss the issue with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    But I'll tell you what--if anyone berates my staff they're toast. I can replace a patient, but not a trusted team member.

    KUDOS!! :cheers:

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    Thanks for encouraging me.

    Not to get off track, but we really view ourselves as public servants. Everything we do is patient first, ourselves second, including many financial disputes. I find that a good working definition of "professional", and I enjoy coming to work to help people, and I intentionally set it up that way.

    Now, I don't expect all my patients to appreciate our professionalism, and certainly not right away. But NOTHING sets me off more than having our integrity questioned, like these guys questioned the OP's integrity.

    If someone can't treat us with mutual decency and respect, then they have harmed our relationship. Now, we'll forgive (as we expect to be forgiven), but there is a point at which you realize the relationship is sour. Then you must move on.

    The "customer" may always be right, but we don't have "customers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post

    The "customer" may always be right, but we don't have "customers".
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    YOU ARE REQUIRED BY MEDICARE TO USE AN ABN! What the heck is your office doing? You should not even be arguing with these people. You are currently not following medicare guidelines and could get in trouble. They are required to sign an ABN before any routine services. If then you bill and no secondary apears or medicare denies payment and they don't pay within a reasonable amount of time they go to collections. No argument they signed or they refused tx and no services are provided. Medicare knows old people have nothing better to do then waste everyone's time figuring out the bill. And you are allowed to collect the 20% and refraction up front. Make your doctors pay for you to go to a medicare seminar, I am no expert, but we have been to many and learned so much single every time. You can really increase your payments by using the right DX codes and covering your butts by using medicare provided forms for medicare pt's exclusively. It is scary to think of an audit if you use the reg OD forms. If it is getting this crazy you might want to think about bringing up the idea of a consulting firm to the owners. The MD practice I worked at was larger and had a consultant just for ins billing and keeping up with medicare. It is alot for one person to handle and figure out themselves. Get some help, I hope the Dr.'s listen to you, you should not even be in this mess.
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    No matter how well you prepare or what you say or do, a complainer will always complain. I know this is old, but sometimes I just need reminders that I'm not in a boat alone! Do your best to explain and then toss them over to "speak to your Human Resources Dept or Insurance Carrier directly to have them better explain YOUR benefits to YOU". A nice glass of wine doesn't hurt either!!!!!

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    There is one way to avoid all of this: stop accepting insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAurelius View Post
    There is one way to avoid all of this: stop accepting insurance.
    Good, stop accepting Medicare, stop doing cataracts, stop doing medical treatments, get your medical practice out of the medical business, and take up ......what, Mike?

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    I didn't say it was easy, just one way to stop the idiocy.
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