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  • #31
    Originally posted by NaturalEyes View Post
    I agree. There is also a huge difference between a person who has Unaided 20/20 eyesight and a person who has corrected 20/20 eyesight. People who get into the -8 and above area are almost hazzardous. The size of the image on their retina is very small. Their eye movement and brain speed are very squelched. Their spacial awareness is very warped. There needs to be other factors that need to be measured along with general acuity.
    Where do you get the information to make these statements? The visual acuity of a person corrected to 20/20 is just as good as one that needs no correction. A -8.00 myope corrected to 20/20 is not a hazard. They have normal peripheral vision, even in spectacles. If you don't believe me, you should do a visual field analysis on one and see for yourself. Peripheral vision is not 20/20 anyway. People with BVA of 20/200 centrally can still have perfect peripheral vision.

    A -14.00 uncorrected myope that thinks they can see 20/40 is a hazard.

    Spatial awareness and depth perception are important, but the brain makes adaptations to changes in environment quite successfully. People who have changes in their spectacle Rx are quite capable of making involuntary compensations. Contrast sensitivity is another visual measurement that is import...but how does all this relate to teaching people eye movement exercises, blinking, and relaxation techniques to ameliorate myopia and presbyopia? The truth is it doesn't.

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    • #32
      Whoa...wait a tick. You're saying that I can learn a behavior that will physically disconnect my eyeball from the optic nerve??? Or did I miss something big there? If you're referring to a slower development of the optical system if a patient is in an amblyopic state...this is not a condition that most of the population of the world exhibits. Can you clarify?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        First of all, you mis-spelled my name. Perhaps some OTC +1.00's might help?
        Oh, my appologies. I need to practice the good vision habits better on user names.

        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        (Anyone remember the "See Clearly Method" hawked on the radio about ten years ago - same dish.) making claims that I feel to be dangerous and extremely misleading to an unaware public.
        The "See Clearly Method" is a typical infomercial scheme. It teaches Eye Exercises(eye pushups, eye yoga, eye aerobics). When Bates had all his success, people tried to copy what he was doing and market it. They did not ask him personaly and the best they could come up with was Eye Exercises. It plays on people's innate feelings that glasses and contacts do harm and are restrictive. I'm glad that people put them to task and their foundation was shown for the false system it was.

        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        I've looked over your website extensively and the direct claims you make - as well as the disclaimers. Let's just say I wasn't thrilled by the time I was done...but that was my own experience..
        I appreciate you taking the time. I would like to get more thoughts on this. Perhaps at a later time.

        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        I would like to remind you of a simple truth which is you can no sooner cure advanced stage cancer or remove a brain tumor than you can "cure" refractive error using 'wishful thinking' or 're-training' the body to be cancer or tumor proof. It's simply bad medicine, dangerous and will result in some horrible outcomes...
        Right now that is theory and belief to me. I work with a lady who helps people's bodies overcome advanced cancers, diabetes, and other diseases 10 hours a day. She finds the resources the bodies need and the bodies cure themselves. I have overcome lymph disease myself which was one of the major factors in my original blurry vision.

        The fact is that my students are getting regular reduced prescriptions from their optomotrists. They wouldn't be able to do this if their vision wasn't improving. My optometrist has me come in every once in a while to help his patients with 20/40 blurr. I can usually teach them what to do to bring their vision back to 20/20 within a few minutes.

        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        May I suggest that if you truly wish to excel at your chosen profession, that you attend a good solid four years of human biological sciences at a local university, (probably the U and not the Y, as the U is a much more medically oriented facility) - then follow that up with a full four year optometry program - follow that with a year or two residency, probably in a Vision Therapy setting, and finally a good eight years of med school with a strong and solid emphasis on ophthalmology and surgical technique?
        Thank you for the suggestion. I have considered going into Optometry or Chiropractic or Registered Nurse. I am very busy teaching people how to see and reduce their prescriptions right now. I am also training under my naturopath. I do take opportunities to shadow under my Optometrist. I also help him measure glasses for his service projects to third world countries.

        Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
        Perhaps too - you will be far better equipped to actually help people, instead of what is occurring now. Which is, I believe, what you really want to do.
        Oh I'm doing pretty well right now. My students are very happy with their success http://bit.ly/2FyWjZ and amazing release of tension and strain. I love when they get amazing clear flashes in a class. I also love when they call to tell me they have reduced their prescription again.

        Thank you very much for the intelligent conversation.

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        • #34
          Wow. Have you considered writing papers for any of the international journals or at the least getting in and speaking for the AOA and the like? Even Clive and the rest of the UOA would be very interested to hear of your breakthrough. Again - good luck.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by NaturalEyes View Post
            Yes there is a lot of quackery, and charlotinism out there, and there is a lot of stone age thinking in the field medicine as well.
            Yes, we see where you're coming from. Thanks for being honest.

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            • #36
              This is guaranteed?!?!?!? :

              " Reduced occurrences of floaters and eye diseases: like cataracts, macular degeneration, etc."

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              • #37
                Fraud alert

                Originally posted by VictorBush View Post

                1. Palming: - To rest and relax your eyes, sit comfortably in front of a table, resting your elbows on a stack of cushions high enough to bring your palms easily to your eyes without stooping forward or looking up.

                2. Swinging: - Relax and keep the eyes mobile. Stand up and focus on a distant point, swaying gently from side to side. Repeat 100 times daily, blinking as you sway. Blinking cleans and lubricates the eyes, which is especially important if you spend a lot of time in front of a computer.

                3. Remember to keep your gaze at shoulder level. You may raise your fingers or stick two ballpoint pens on your shoulders to guide you. Place them in a convenient way so that you are able to clearly see them when you move your eyes left and right.

                4. Look as far as possible and inhale then look down as far as possible and exhale. Blink your eyes more than dozen times. Do the same procedure by turning to your left and right then diagonally up to left, down to right, up to right and down to left followed by rapid blinking.
                No thanks.

                Fraud.
                Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. - Richard P. Feynman

                Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test before the lesson.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
                  Wow. Have you considered writing papers for any of the international journals or at the least getting in and speaking for the AOA and the like? Even Clive and the rest of the UOA would be very interested to hear of your breakthrough. Again - good luck.
                  I've been building up my writting ability in this area with internet and social media work, by writting for Yahoo Answers, and in responding to inquiries like those on this board. Eventually I'll be building up to that. I am currently working on teaching at desk and cubicle communities like Novell, Phone Centers, and internet companies. These stressfull environments encourage blurry vision habits.

                  My optometrist is a member of Optometric associations and keeps me up to date. I'm afraid I would get the same response from Optometric Associations as I have gotten on this thread and as many other Natural Eyesight Improvement Teachers have gotten from Optometry in general.

                  It's not my breakthrough. It's been known since the early 1900's. It's just been blindly opposed, mistaught, and misrepresented. Great NEI teachers have been improving their education methods so that students get a fuller grasp much quicker and therefore return to Natural Perfect Eyesight much quicker and easier.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
                    Whoa...wait a tick. You're saying that I can learn a behavior that will physically disconnect my eyeball from the optic nerve??? Or did I miss something big there? If you're referring to a slower development of the optical system if a patient is in an amblyopic state...this is not a condition that most of the population of the world exhibits. Can you clarify?
                    No not physically disconnect eyeballs from optic nerves.

                    Blurry vision habits put heavy strain and tension on the eyeballs. The muscles in a way fight against each other and also squeeze the eyeball out of shape: longer for nearsights, warped cornea lining up with the rectus muscles for astigmatism. This tension on the eyeball ruduces the circulation and reduces the sensitivity and transmission of the retina.

                    Blurry vision habits also reduce the brains sensitivity to the signal from the eyes and reduces the brains ability to absorb and recognize that signal. In major forms of staring people's brains completely block the signal from their eyes. Their eyelids are open and the person literally sees nothing for brief moments. We know there is a lot of information sluffed off and filtered in the seeing process but people with blurry vision habits block and sluff off a lot more.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by OHPNTZ View Post
                      This is guaranteed?!?!?!? :

                      " Reduced occurrences of floaters and eye diseases: like cataracts, macular degeneration, etc."
                      I don't guarantee anything except the quality of the information and the education and the support. My students educate themselves and take responsibility for their own health. http://bit.ly/8OqWDL

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                      • #41
                        Robert Martellaro

                        Originally posted by Robert Martellaro View Post
                        No thanks.

                        Fraud.
                        Yes Robert Martellaro I've already established that

                        Originally posted by NaturalEyes View Post
                        Points 1 and 2 above are nice self healing activites but will have little effect without knowing the blurry vision habits to avoid and the clear vision behaviors to reintegrate.

                        Points 3 and 4 are eye exercises which have very little to do with Natural Perfect Eyesight and will often exasterbate the causes of blurry vision.
                        You would do yourself a favor by familiarizing yourself with the conversation before commenting.

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                        • #42
                          i keep waiting for this guy to admit this was all an asinine joke.... he isnt admitting it.

                          he is right up there with holistics and noetic science.

                          know any faith healers? can you correct eye sight through prayer too?

                          seems like that would be big business in utah.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by NaturalEyes View Post
                            I've been building up my writting ability in this area with internet and social media work, by writting for Yahoo Answers, and in responding to inquiries like those on this board. Eventually I'll be building up to that. I am currently working on teaching at desk and cubicle communities like Novell, Phone Centers, and internet companies. These stressfull environments encourage blurry vision habits.

                            My optometrist is a member of Optometric associations and keeps me up to date. I'm afraid I would get the same response from Optometric Associations as I have gotten on this thread and as many other Natural Eyesight Improvement Teachers have gotten from Optometry in general.

                            It's not my breakthrough. It's been known since the early 1900's. It's just been blindly opposed, mistaught, and misrepresented. Great NEI teachers have been improving their education methods so that students get a fuller grasp much quicker and therefore return to Natural Perfect Eyesight much quicker and easier.
                            I would be interested to know which optometric associations your optometrist is involved with, and what his peers have to add to the subject. I am sorry, but I simply cannot believe that if there was any honest medical proof to back up the claims made by this method, that we would not all be much more aware of it's validity. Unfortunately, when you mis-educate the general public through avenues such as Yahoo Answers etc., regarding the importance of involving a trained medical professional in their comprehensive ocular health care, it is simply dangerous. That's potentially a nasty lawsuit I'd not wish to face down if I were in your position.

                            Originally posted by NaturalEyes View Post
                            No not physically disconnect eyeballs from optic nerves.

                            Blurry vision habits put heavy strain and tension on the eyeballs. The muscles in a way fight against each other and also squeeze the eyeball out of shape: longer for nearsights, warped cornea lining up with the rectus muscles for astigmatism. This tension on the eyeball ruduces the circulation and reduces the sensitivity and transmission of the retina.

                            Blurry vision habits also reduce the brains sensitivity to the signal from the eyes and reduces the brains ability to absorb and recognize that signal. In major forms of staring people's brains completely block the signal from their eyes. Their eyelids are open and the person literally sees nothing for brief moments. We know there is a lot of information sluffed off and filtered in the seeing process but people with blurry vision habits block and sluff off a lot more.
                            I'm sorry - you lost me here. You're saying there are muscles in the eye that are the root cause for decreased/increased axial lengths, corneal astigmatism, and choroidal blood flow? And further that the brain is solely responsible for sensitivity to retinal stimuli and that this relationship is based on body stress levels alone? Very confused here...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Uilleann View Post
                              I'm sorry - you lost me here. You're saying there are muscles in the eye that are the root cause for decreased/increased axial lengths, corneal astigmatism, and choroidal blood flow? And further that the brain is solely responsible for sensitivity to retinal stimuli and that this relationship is based on body stress levels alone? Very confused here...
                              Believe it or not the rectus muscles have been implicated in the pathogenesis of refractive error by some researchers, but as you know none of those many theories even remotely comes close to a definitive answer.

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                              • #45
                                That others have looked into the musculature and even adnexa as playing a role in overall visual difficulties is nothing new to be sure. However, I fail to see the connection of honest medical research and documentation, and these "See Clearly Methods". Again, I would strongly encourage any of these practitioners to get out there - get published - start presenting to the medical world at large. If the concepts presented are sound, they will stand on their own merit. If not.....well....

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