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    Amen!

    Amen Gemstone!

    ...and having an idiotic Congress.....


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M






    ...THIS IS SCARY!!!!



    Speaking at Georgetown University on April 14th, President Barack Obama promised: “We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand. We must build our house upon a rock. We must lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity — a foundation that will move us from an era of borrow and spend to one where we save and invest.” Nice words. But the Obama administration actions have produced all sand and no rock. From the Wall Street Bailout, to Cash for Clunkers, to Obama’s failed stimulus, this administration has been all about borrowing and spending. And as the New York Times reports today, it will not be long before we begin paying a real price for these policies

    With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher.

    In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    $700 billion a year in interest payments alone. That is more money than our entire defense budget for next year including the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And that is a low end estimate. As Heritage fellow J.D. Foster has previously noted, governments around the world are also furiously borrowing, feeding a global debt bubble that will eventually force the U.S. Treasury to pay much higher interest rates. And much of the debt we took on this past year is coming due soon. The NYT reports that to take advantage of low rates today, the Treasury issued a huge amount of short-term debt. Treasury officials estimate that about 36 percent of the government’s marketable debt — about $1.6 trillion — is coming due in the months ahead. The Concord Coalition’s Robert Bixby comments: “The government is on teaser rates. We’re taking out a huge mortgage right now, but we won’t feel the pain until later.”

    The American people are rightly concerned about this impending disaster. According to Rasmussen Reports, deficit reduction has remained the number one issue for voters ever since President Obama listed his four top budget priorities in a speech to Congress in February. Forty-two percent (42%) say cutting the deficit in half by the end of the president’s first term is most important, while only 24% say health care reform should be the top priority. Despite the clear wishes of the American people, the Senate voted Saturday night to move forward on a $4.9 trillion in new health care spending. The leftist majorities in Congress say that they will follow with the promised spending cuts and tax hikes to make their bill deficit neutral, but nobody believes them. According to the latest Quinnipiac University poll only 19% of Americans believe President Obama’s promise that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. 72% of Americans tell Quinnipiac they right understand that Obamacare will only add to our nation’s record breaking $12 trillion national debt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H View Post
    Amen Gemstone!

    ...and having an idiotic Congress.....


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M






    ...THIS IS SCARY!!!!



    Speaking at Georgetown University on April 14th, President Barack Obama promised: “We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand. We must build our house upon a rock. We must lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity — a foundation that will move us from an era of borrow and spend to one where we save and invest.” Nice words. But the Obama administration actions have produced all sand and no rock. From the Wall Street Bailout, to Cash for Clunkers, to Obama’s failed stimulus, this administration has been all about borrowing and spending. And as the New York Times reports today, it will not be long before we begin paying a real price for these policies

    With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher.

    In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    $700 billion a year in interest payments alone. That is more money than our entire defense budget for next year including the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And that is a low end estimate. As Heritage fellow J.D. Foster has previously noted, governments around the world are also furiously borrowing, feeding a global debt bubble that will eventually force the U.S. Treasury to pay much higher interest rates. And much of the debt we took on this past year is coming due soon. The NYT reports that to take advantage of low rates today, the Treasury issued a huge amount of short-term debt. Treasury officials estimate that about 36 percent of the government’s marketable debt — about $1.6 trillion — is coming due in the months ahead. The Concord Coalition’s Robert Bixby comments: “The government is on teaser rates. We’re taking out a huge mortgage right now, but we won’t feel the pain until later.”

    The American people are rightly concerned about this impending disaster. According to Rasmussen Reports, deficit reduction has remained the number one issue for voters ever since President Obama listed his four top budget priorities in a speech to Congress in February. Forty-two percent (42%) say cutting the deficit in half by the end of the president’s first term is most important, while only 24% say health care reform should be the top priority. Despite the clear wishes of the American people, the Senate voted Saturday night to move forward on a $4.9 trillion in new health care spending. The leftist majorities in Congress say that they will follow with the promised spending cuts and tax hikes to make their bill deficit neutral, but nobody believes them. According to the latest Quinnipiac University poll only 19% of Americans believe President Obama’s promise that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. 72% of Americans tell Quinnipiac they right understand that Obamacare will only add to our nation’s record breaking $12 trillion national debt.


    what does this have to do with Sarah Palin?

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    what does it have to do with Palin

    Well the question was asked "why does Sarah Palin scare liberals"...and one of the responses was "that she could win". My point was, look at what we have right now. If you look at where the US is headed due to the out of control spending of the current administration, it should scare the HECK out of everyone. Who really cares about 2012 right now? Its 2009 and we have more serious issues to be concerned with. I'm not saying I am a Sarah Palin fan, but what I am saying is the US needs an administration that shows some fisical responsibility. This is very serious stuff. Look at the numbers. Why isn't this being reported in the mainstream press? I recommend Peter Schiff's book "Crash Proof 2.0" for anyone that really wants to get some facts of what is going on. He was the only one that was predicting this economic downturn....google/youtube him and you will see what I mean. One other point about how this relates to Sarah Palin...she is dead on to point out that the federal government doen't need to overhaul our healthcare system. Does it need to be tweaked? Yes. Does it need to be more affordable? ABSOLUTELY! Do we need the US Government overhauling our entire healthcare system? I think not. We do not need to become a socialist nation. My two cents worth...and I'm outta here :)
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    There is something supremely ironic about someone of your apparent knowledge and intellect, gemstone, characterizing Obama as an “ignoramous” (a secondary irony of its own there – you really need to be able to spell “ignoramus” if you’re going to claim someone else is one). It’s certainly possible to disagree and argue with any of his positions – but it is not possible to argue that he is ignorant of the subject matter he deals with. He doesn’t attack problems based on the shallow foundations of a simple-minded ideology, unlike the “great leaders” who appeal to people like you (including the former mayor of Wasilla). He approaches problems by first informing himself. That, of course, will take some getting used to, after eight years of faith-based thinking, if it’s possible for you at all. I realize it’s difficult for ideologues of both the left and right (they’re ideologues for a reason). It would be nice if problems would submit to solutions that fit on bumper stickers. But those of us who like to try actually understand the issues, and realize how challenging it can be to understand some of them – we really like having a president who appears to actually apply his ability to reason to these problems, and who appears (by any measure) to be blessed with a substantial ability to do so. That doesn’t mean he’s always going to make the right decision. But at least he’s capable of being thoughtful, and he presents his reasoning to us in a manner that anyone possessing a minimal intellect should be able to comprehend, if we care to listen.

    LeeH, I found Col. West's speech appalling… he's a very good speaker, who promotes the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, while simultaneously claiming to want to “restore” it (shades of Seven Days in May). He derides attempts by the U.S. government to “achieve certain outcomes” after having worked for the government for 22 years, in a department of the government that was instrumental in achieving, in the late 1940’s, one of the greatest social engineering successes in the history of the world: namely, the reformation of apartheid in this country. That started with the U.S. armed forces, where segregation was ended by President Truman, a generation before Col. West found the “equality of opportunity” he praises. But for the actions of those early-day social engineers, (who, lest we forget, largely succeeded), he would not have had that opportunity to rise up from his “lower middle class” roots in Atlanta –because blacks would not have been members of the lower middle class in Atlanta.

    At least when Jefferson stated the Founders’ objections to George III’s tyranny, he had the decency to enumerate his complaints. West does not. He finds a "straw woman" - someone who was apparently looking for a handout - and generalizes her into a class war, which he then equates with “tyranny”. This argument ultimately deconstructs into being about taxes, of course… the “tyranny” of which he speaks is the government’s taking of your money in order to spend it on someone else – something which, as he inadvertently points out, the Constitution does actually empower the Congress to do, his little play on words notwithstanding. But he doesn’t want to play by the Constitution’s rules (which is to say, according to the will of the majority, as cabined by the government's having been granted limited powers) – he wants to play by his rules. He wants to “take this country back”. From whom? From the voters who elected Obama? There’s a Constitutional way to do that, and it does not involve fixing bayonets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H View Post
    Well the question was asked "why does Sarah Palin scare liberals"...and one of the responses was "that she could win". My point was, look at what we have right now. If you look at where the US is headed due to the out of control spending of the current administration, it should scare the HECK out of everyone. Who really cares about 2012 right now? Its 2009 and we have more serious issues to be concerned with. I'm not saying I am a Sarah Palin fan, but what I am saying is the US needs an administration that shows shom fisical responsibility. This is very serious stuff. Look at the numbers. Why isn't this being reported in the mainstream press? I recommend Peter Schiff's book "Crash Proof 2.0" for anyone that really wants to get some facts of what is going on. He was the only one that was predicting this economic downturn....google/youtube him and you will see what I mean. One other point about how this relates to Sarah Palin...she is dead on to point out that the federal government doen't need to overhaul our healthcare system. Does it need to be tweaked? Yes. Does it need to be more affordable? ABSOLUTELY! Do we need the US Government overhauling our entire healthcare system? I think not. We do not need to become a socialist nation. My two cents worth...and I'm outta here :)
    You think Palin would be fiscally responsible? I think she would be as fiscally responsible as Bush and Reagan.

    Her point about health care in this article that health care should be privatized so companies can make profit in it. Not so that the government can save money.

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    I thought she gave up politics/show biz and was going fishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Goggle View Post
    I thought she gave up politics/show biz and was going fishing.
    I thought she was out murdering Rudolph, Bullwinkle and their friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by For-Life View Post
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/11...1913396-cp.html





    Notice that she does not talk about making it a better health care system. Notice that she does not talk health at all. She just says PROFIT. That is her goal and that is why she is making up Death Panel lies. She just wants private companies to make a profit, even at the expense of our health
    Does Canada's system acheive better results then ours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADO View Post
    Does Canada's system acheive better results then ours?
    Canadians think so:

    http://www.canada.com/health/Canada+...287/story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanbaum View Post
    There is something else very interesting in that article. The idea of competition. It is argued that private business is better, because of competition. But when you look at that article, and many others, you will see extensive competition.

    For instance, being in Ontario, our province runs our health care system. So first of all, we need to be competitive, as our population will demand that we are equal to or better than other provinces. Then at the same time, we demand that we are better than or equal to other nations. Even within Ontario, we have 14 Local Health Integration Networks, and the populations for each of those regions demand that we are better.

    So the public health is VERY competitive.

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    All of this healthcare talk and mumbo jumbo is fine and dandy! But, can she still see Russia from here house?
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